tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post2351583582071955222..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: [Appeal_to_Ridicule] #5.0: Gabriel, SummarizedRyan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger121125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-2428093417682997822009-10-28T09:59:31.299-05:002009-10-28T09:59:31.299-05:00Racist Tool:
No young padawan, I lived in the UK,...Racist Tool:<br /><br /><b>No young padawan, I <i>lived</i> in the UK, I stated where in previous posts.</b><br /><br />So it was a long visit, the point that life in the UK seems to have passed you by still stands you idiot. <br /><br />In fact, emphasising that you were there for some time makes you look even more ridiculous - if it was a flying visit you would at least have an excuse not to get a good feel for the country.<br /><br />That you lived there and still don't understand the country or its people, and yet claim your travelling gives you deep insights makes you look like the utter fool you are.<br /><br />Good work Racist Tool, destroying your own arguments piece by piece.Jimmy Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303271166058408065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-46736738323962813652009-10-28T04:32:13.138-05:002009-10-28T04:32:13.138-05:00The Gerbil squeeked:
"To bad you cant handl...The Gerbil squeeked: <br /><br />"To bad you cant handle a real serious debate and you run away like that with all the respect I given you."<br /><br />Says the retard that runs off at a tangent trying to evade answering pertinent questions about his racist wankfantasy.<br />Face it Gerbil you're just repeating the same idiotic drivel you've read in Mein Dumkopf, and on racist retard sites like Stormfront. You aren't intelleigent enough to have a coherent theory of your own to back up your baseless prejudices. All you have is a massive inferiority complex that needs covering up with Nazi wankfantasies to keep you going through the day. You're a mental weakling, Gerbriel.<br />You aren't even bright enough to realize when you are making self defeating arguments, that fuck your fantasy world's crediblity up.<br /><br />Racist fuckwits are like dogs. They uncritically accept the crappy ideology of their alpha male top dog ( which is inevitably the dead loser Adolf Hitler)and then mindlessly parrot it back on the net.<br /><br />Gerbriel can't even understand basic evolutionary theory without warping it to fit the pathetic racism he has mindlessly adhered to.<br /><br />How long is Gerbriel going to spout evasive crap and not realize that he is humiliating himself every time he posts? He even parrots my insults, because deep down he knows that I'm superior to his pathetic redneck status as bottom dog.<br />Poodle or gerbil, which are you Gerbriel?<br /><br />JS;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-25149693833186379022009-10-28T01:36:39.740-05:002009-10-28T01:36:39.740-05:00I've been waiting for this.
"I have no i...I've been waiting for this.<br /><br />"I have no idea if you are white Rick."<br /><br />Bingo! Thanks for establishing beyond reasonable doubt that not even you can establish exactly what you think the difference is between various "races".<br /><br />The internet is a very tough test is it not? This was hardly even scientifically rigorous.<br /><br />To explain, if your claim was true, that different "races" had different mental traits, and further than you CONSTANTLY observe this sort of thing in Africa and can instantly tell that "they" lack this or that mental advantage, the natural prediction would be that the reverse is also true. You should, just by speaking with someone over a decent length of time, be fully capable of interpretting their intelligence the same way you interpretted it talking with people in Africa and tell that they are one race or another. You couldn't even begin to do so, you didn't even make a guess.<br /><br />Why is that? Why is it so very easy to claim one person as mentally inferior when you know their "race" going in, and impossible to tell their race from the intelligence you have available in conversation with us right now?<br /><br />One possible explanation is that in reality they have the SAME intellectual capacity as anyone else on average and that any percieved intellectual inferiority is JUST your own personal bias going into it.<br /><br />It's a simple test. Which of us are white and which are not? If you can't tell, why not? Do we have to do some other test so you can more properly determine it? I can't speak for everyone else, but I'll work with you. If you have to know IN ADVANCE what race we are, and only then can you retroactively say "well I knew it because of how dumb you are", that's a pretty clear example of an unfalsifiable standard of evidence.Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-73111636373597163852009-10-27T17:01:36.116-05:002009-10-27T17:01:36.116-05:00Another thing that needs to be said: Gabe, stop te...Another thing that needs to be said: Gabe, <a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/11/doggerel-46-dont-knock-woo-before-you.html" rel="nofollow">stop telling me to travel, as if subjective experience is superior to the scientific method</a>.<br /><br />I have biases like everyone else, and going on a trip that would maximize the influence of my biases is hardly going to change my mind. The fact that you think personal experience is objective shows just how poorly you understand what's going on in this argument, as well as how poorly you understand the principles of science.<br /><br />I trust cold, hard data gathered through rigorous means more than I do casual, lazy observation, <b>especially if I'm the one doing that observation</b>. You seem incapable of understanding even that most basic of ideas.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-10805672080691968412009-10-27T08:28:42.829-05:002009-10-27T08:28:42.829-05:00Nice projection, Gabe. Keep up the good work.Nice projection, Gabe. Keep up the good work.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-7591818449478588032009-10-27T04:14:35.074-05:002009-10-27T04:14:35.074-05:00Gerbriel, stop squeeking at straw men and pay atte...Gerbriel, stop squeeking at straw men and pay attention to the questions you've been asked!<br />If you can't answer the questions being put to you without actively misconstruing them, in an attempt to squirm away from the fact that your prejudices are baseless, then I suggest that you bow out of the debate. Or if you wish to continue you can always say "God did it!" and then smugly sit back, safe in the comfort of your Nazi wankfantasy.<br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-18121439632099591582009-10-27T02:30:41.218-05:002009-10-27T02:30:41.218-05:00Gabe, how about answering my question? Or would y...Gabe, how about answering my question? Or would you prefer to continue to hide from it?<br /><br /><i>I have no idea if you are White Rick</i><br /><br />When did I ask you if I am white?<br /><br />I asked you what you mean by white.<br /><br /><i>I already given a good response to why it is hard to explain when certain people "became" White</i><br /><br />When did anyone ask you when whites came into existence?<br /><br />I asked you what you mean by white.<br /><br /><br />I've even said that you can give an empirical definition by identifying groups that are, or are not, white. You wouldn't even need to provide an analytical definition, which should make the question trivial. Even more trivial in that I gave you a list of European and Mediterranean groupings to work from.<br /><br />If the edges are fuzzy, then say that they are fuzzy, but you should certainly be able to give bounds to that fuzziness. Much like how some real world national borders are, or were, defined by noting which geographic features belong to each nation and saying that the border is about half-way between them.Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-4125145773728914782009-10-26T17:56:17.846-05:002009-10-26T17:56:17.846-05:00Gabe:
Bronze Dog, your skill in debate is truly a...Gabe:<br /><br /><b>Bronze Dog, your skill in debate is truly awesome, the "I am right, you are wrong" tactic is indeed skilled and impressive.</b><br /><br />Talk about projection.<br /><br />You don't acknowledge the existence of logical fallacies. You don't acknowledge the philosophy of science and how you've been going directly against it. You argue that common knowledge evolution is false.<br /><br /><b>As you seem to afraid of actual debate I take it you can't handle to defend your position, I given posts after posts (several pages longer then yours) and the response I get, is in a nutshell, "I am right, you are wrong, lalalla", thats just sad. And the rest of your sheep gives pretty much the same and calls me an asshole or similar, very mature and educated.<br /><br />To bad you cant handle a real serious debate and you run away like that with all the respect I given you.</b><br /><br />1. Shifting the burden of proof onto the skeptic is a logical fallacy. This is supposed to be common knowledge. You're the advocate for this magical "race" thing, and yet you cannot even talk about it in some meaningful way. That's probably why you won't commit to even saying it's genetic.<br /><br />2. I'm not taking a position to defend, and even if I did, you probably wouldn't know what it was anyway, given your fairytale derail on that Silverstein straw man. I even gave you a chance to take on "I don't know" as my position and you chickened out.<br /><br />3. If anyone's been doing the "I'm right, you're wrong" style of argument, it's you! You talk about your travel experience as if you were deified beyond normal human failings. You use it as an excuse to claim that you're beyond scientific inquiry and criticism.<br /><br />4. You compulsively change subjects whenever the heat's on.<br /><br />5. You're functionally illiterate, anyway: You can't even understand our criticisms.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-32074771309292718342009-10-26T17:42:11.358-05:002009-10-26T17:42:11.358-05:00Bronze Dog, your skill in debate is truly awesome,...Bronze Dog, your skill in debate is truly awesome, the "I am right, you are wrong" tactic is indeed skilled and impressive.<br /><br />As you seem to afraid of actual debate I take it you can't handle to defend your position, I given posts after posts (several pages longer then yours) and the response I get, is in a nutshell, "I am right, you are wrong, lalalla", thats just sad. And the rest of your sheep gives pretty much the same and calls me an asshole or similar, very mature and educated.<br /><br />To bad you cant handle a real serious debate and you run away like that with all the respect I given you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-50325891373585417022009-10-26T15:05:48.820-05:002009-10-26T15:05:48.820-05:00Congratulations, Gabe! You have defeated your own ...Congratulations, Gabe! You have defeated your own argument. The world is not simply black and white, as it were. Just shades of gray.<br /><br />Nice work.<br /><br />The next step is to stop being such a racist douchebag.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-68342108464060812072009-10-26T14:43:49.973-05:002009-10-26T14:43:49.973-05:00Another thing: Doesn't it seem contradictory t...Another thing: Doesn't it seem contradictory to say that race is a subtle, nuanced thing that's hard to describe and to say that it's obvious enough for you to be able to determine someone's race just by looking at them?Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-35030183484821469382009-10-26T14:30:55.851-05:002009-10-26T14:30:55.851-05:00Perhaps you'd get a better response from me if...Perhaps you'd get a better response from me if you'd answer some simple questions instead of hiding behind fuzziness of borders I never asked about. Yes, evolution has some fuzzy lines because, over long periods of time, "species" is a moving target. I'm not asking about those old periods of time, I'm asking for a snapshot of today.<br /><br />I'm not asking when they became white, but what makes a person white <i>right now</i>.<br /><br />I've been having trouble getting you to even say if it's a genetic thing or not.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-88121521889384680032009-10-26T14:21:58.326-05:002009-10-26T14:21:58.326-05:00ed the difficulty in speaking of white or none whi...ed the difficulty in speaking of white or none white, Ironically, Bronze dog seem to IGNORE my response when i explained basic Evolution to him.<br /><br />Just as Richard Dawkins said, there is no fine line between Human and none human, It is just like asking when does a child become an old man, it ignores the fact of Evolution.<br /><br />I have no idea if you are White Rick, how would I, I never met you, I dont know your ancestors, and most likely you would be lying anyway as I seen most people do, Hell, when I point out I read Richard Dawkins new book, the first thing I get, automatically (from people who hve not read it) YOU ARE LNG ITS NOT TRUE, perhasps jealousy?<br /><br />Who knows, inferiority complex it seems, either way. I already given a good response to why it is hard to explain when certain people "became" White, especially since the timeline is rather long, this question can only come if you lack basic understanding of Evolution, IT IS NOT a 1 2 3 4 counting system, its more of a morphed 1234 no specific destictions between the races until you come afterwards.<br /><br />Read Dawkins book, HE explains this himself as refering to Creationist who think there is a "missing link" to everything, there would be UNLIMITED links as there is no goalpost, Why do you think we do not mark the species we found as "almost Humans" or "not really human yet"? Because we need to give names to it and simple can not do that, It is simple not allowed by the system of taxonomi we use, cheezes christ I shouldn´t have to explain all this to you, you are suppose to know this.<br /><br />Now Dog, are you going to give a proper RESPONSE, or not? I guess not, you rather run away ignoring it, man I would like to met your kind in real life, dont you see how pathetic you are¿Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-40781148985815973232009-10-25T17:53:04.627-05:002009-10-25T17:53:04.627-05:00I find it funny that Gabe's trying to invoke t...I find it funny that Gabe's trying to invoke the sorcery of "progressive evolution" or whatever you want to call it.<br /><br />Evolution is just the process of some traits surviving if they're beneficial at the moment, under existing circumstances. And it's hardly even relevant on the timescales we're talking about.<br /><br />Of course, I have no trouble imagining he's unable to give a reason why migrating out of Africa would cause big brain genes or whatever he believes in to be more favored than they are in Africa.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-68705153509289471192009-10-25T17:33:11.186-05:002009-10-25T17:33:11.186-05:00Dunc said...
"I've lived in the UK all ...Dunc said... <br /><br />"I've lived in the UK all my life, and I can conclusively state that you're full of shit."<br /><br /><br />Come on Dunc, you can hardly expect gerbil boy to give the kind of description of British life that we live. After all we're dealing with a person that has a massive inferiority complex, and has to believes in a conspiracy by the "black freemasons" to give him and his fellow rednecks AIDS.<br />We're hardly gonna get anything remotely resembling our daily experience of life in the UK from Gerbriel.<br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-16914011771478208172009-10-25T17:31:32.948-05:002009-10-25T17:31:32.948-05:00Gabe:
You're still avoiding my question. But ...Gabe:<br /><br />You're still avoiding my question. But that's OK; I'm nothing if not persistent.<br /><br />Am I white?<br /><br />You, and the pathetic slugs like you, want to take credit for everything that you believe white people have done. But you can't actually *define* whiteness.<br /><br />Just to pick on two groups that are particularly close to my heart, both Jews and Chinese have been hugely influential in developing the ideas and technologies that you take credit for as part of the "white" world. <br /><br />(Of course, that's part of why people like you hate Jews so much, isn't it - we're a group that culturally values education and achievement, and *you can't recognize us* unless we tell you who we are. If you saw me on the street, you'd assume I was "white". But I'm really one of those dirty joooooos that scare you so much. But you can't tell, and you can't define your wondrous whiteness in a way that matches your prejudice.)MarkCChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02433158943938317633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-13006426081795647872009-10-25T17:25:25.347-05:002009-10-25T17:25:25.347-05:00Gerbriel squeeked:
"A good response to this...Gerbriel squeeked:<br /><br /><br />"A good response to this could be me<br />asking when we turned Human"<br /><br />No it isn't a good response unless you're trying to evade peoples' questions. <br />" Most people,<br />Creationist and Evolutionist alike<br />think that Evolution is a system of <br />progress, One, Two, Three and so on,<br />and we can define when someone is a<br />Human, when a dinosaur became a<br />bird and so on."<br /><br /><br />Your idea of evolution is at odds with Richard Dawkins' knowledge of the process. If you have read his book you certainly didn't understand any of it. <br /><br />"Even Richard Dawkins mentioned this in<br />The Greatest Show on Earth, I book I clearly<br />was the first to read in this forum, and<br />which most seemingly haven't read yet. I<br />recommend it."<br /> <br />Wrong. But whoever read it first doesn't get a prize.<br />Like I said earlier, if you've actually read the book you show no sign of comprehending what you've read.<br />The rest of your post is mere prevarication, as per usual.<br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-14955262765802786032009-10-25T15:43:44.854-05:002009-10-25T15:43:44.854-05:00"I can conclusively state that you're ful..."I can conclusively state that <i>you're full of shit</i>."<br /><br />The philosophy of science, history, genetics... at least he's consistent.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-57995351602893343112009-10-25T15:20:46.905-05:002009-10-25T15:20:46.905-05:00No young padawan, I lived in the UK, I stated wher...<i>No young padawan, I lived in the UK, I stated where in previous posts.</i><br /><br />I've lived in the UK all my life, and I can conclusively state that <i>you're full of shit</i>.Duncnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-14772489581979530882009-10-25T15:15:24.939-05:002009-10-25T15:15:24.939-05:00Gabe, you still haven't answered the basic que...Gabe, you still haven't answered the basic question:<br /><br />What do you mean when you say white?<br /><br />Either answer the question, or concede that you cannot.Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-66884901695791073902009-10-25T14:24:23.974-05:002009-10-25T14:24:23.974-05:00So much for your vaunted world knowledge - you cla...<b>So much for your vaunted world knowledge - you claim to have visited the UK and yet it seems you completely ignored it. What a surprise - you visited a place and only managed to see as far as the end of your nose.</b><br /><br />No young padawan, I <i>lived</i> in the UK, I stated where in previous posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-72777562542256526272009-10-25T14:21:09.976-05:002009-10-25T14:21:09.976-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-64985979943909903102009-10-25T13:34:47.111-05:002009-10-25T13:34:47.111-05:00Can.No. Longer. Resist. Urge. To. Respond.
Racist...Can.No. Longer. Resist. Urge. To. Respond.<br /><br />Racist Tool said:<br /><br /><b>As I lived in Britain (both Oxford and over at the Channel Islands, the two biggest ones and the smallest one) and other parts of Europe, they have it much worse then we Americans do. We can express our disgust towards the scum we have, we can speak about the negros and spics destroying our nations, English or Germans or French CAN NOT.</b><br /><br />Oh fuck off you ignorant lying twat. <br /><br />I was born in the UK and lived in the UK for 29 years and this doesn't even come close to being a half-arsed stereotyped comic book misrepresentation of a fictional version of the UK. You can express your views about people quite freely in the UK, the problem for you Racist Tool is that almost everyone would laugh at you because they would recognise it for what it is.<br /><br />Ridicule of and disdain for your opinion has nothing to do with censorship of your opinion. For instance, Nick Griffin of the BNP was just recently on the BBC's Question Time despite quite obviously being a racist moron.<br /><br />So much for your vaunted world knowledge - you claim to have visited the UK and yet it seems you completely ignored it. What a surprise - you visited a place and only managed to see as far as the end of your nose.Jimmy Bluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03303271166058408065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-37570076110145803342009-10-25T13:30:44.109-05:002009-10-25T13:30:44.109-05:00So, to summarize, "It's fuzzy." Of c...So, to summarize, "It's fuzzy." Of course, I don't see what "when" has to do with this, we're talking about now.<br /><br /><b>Negroids whom continued to evolve separately from us, but seem to have hit a bottle neck after our ancestors, the ones becoming white, asians etc, left. Negroids never became as skilled and innovative as White man nor their Asian brothers, they continued their lives on the savanna, creating nothing and becoming nothing. The rest of humanity evolved in what we would today call, Upwards manner, we became more intelligent, more aware and more advanced, so the negriods you see today are more closely related to our Ancestoral Apes then say White man because they changed and evovled very little compared to us, whom became civilized and advanced, you could say that the Africans of today are so called "living fossils" of our ancestral past.</b><br /><br />Except, last time anyone checked, we're still nearly identical genetically speaking, since we only had the geological blink of an eye to become civilized.<br /><br />Oh, and evolution doesn't work that way.<br /><br />1. There's no such thing as "more evolved." Unless you're going to argue that Africans have been using cloning technology in place of sex, they've been continuing in evolution during that eyeblink.<br /><br />2. Africans are the most genetically diverse group of humans, because they haven't had genetic bottlenecks that come with migration.<br /><br />3. You haven't been able to prove that they have inferior hardware, especially since you have to retreat to comparisons between groups with vast cultural, economic, and resource-based differences whenever we try to compare apples to apples.<br /><br />So far, all you've been able to invoke for the sake of prior plausibility is hoping that we'll believe in some magical Platonic force of progress.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-90853377693394220102009-10-25T13:28:16.386-05:002009-10-25T13:28:16.386-05:00How in the name of Andrew Schlafly* can the popula...How in the name of Andrew Schlafly* can the population of Africa be "bottlenecked" genetically, when they have more genetic diversity than any other branch of humanity? How can we have 'evolved beyond them' if Europeans and Africans are the most closely related geographical groupings of humanity?<br /><br />Unless you can substantiate your claims, they are nothing more than words.<br /><br />*I decided to get creative with my... whichever kind of thing that is.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.com