tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post2861689425672880561..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Doggerel #54: "I Demand Respect!"Ryan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-89356807831528115392007-01-31T04:51:00.000-06:002007-01-31T04:51:00.000-06:00If you ask an atheist what his moral standard is, ...<i>If you ask an atheist what his moral standard is, the majority cannot give a straightforward answer. The few that do (by making one up, I suppose) give a thousand different standards.</i><br /><br />Only a thousand? Wow. That's orders of magnitude better than the myriad Christian sects and factions (dead or kicking), all ignoring different parts of scripture, and all with different "interpretations". And, of course, all following "the true word of God".<br /><br />Of course atheism doesn't offer a shrink-wrapped moral standard. But neither does the Bible. The societies we happen to be born in do, however. Have you noticed that an atheist who does something socially unacceptable doesn't defend his actions with statements like "There's no god(s) and I'm allowed to do anything I want"? That's because we don't really get to chose wether we're social beings or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-85059773289261068242007-01-26T15:32:00.000-06:002007-01-26T15:32:00.000-06:00Cocksnack, please.
The phrase you are looking for...Cocksnack, please.<br /><br />The phrase you are looking for is "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumbo_Jumbo_%28phrase%29">mumbo jumbo</a>."<br /><br />You look like enough of an idiot without misusing that too.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-67035990260485850182007-01-26T11:41:00.000-06:002007-01-26T11:41:00.000-06:00You unnecessarily muddle up objective, absolute co...You unnecessarily muddle up objective, absolute concepts like "soundness" with arbitrary, subjective, relative terms like "laziness" and you expect us to think I'm muddling things up?<br /><br />How about we test your crazy assertion: Let's get a lazy man and a workaholic to both add up 2 + 2, and measure how truthful the answer of 4 is for both of them. If it's absolutely true for both, rather than at varying levels for each, I think we can safely throw out your twisted Chopra-esque line of reasoning.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-63551898121162732252007-01-26T11:33:00.000-06:002007-01-26T11:33:00.000-06:00If anyone want to experience one big knotted up mu...If anyone want to experience one big knotted up mumble jumble, simply read the post directly above.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-14131819290747683242007-01-25T21:51:00.000-06:002007-01-25T21:51:00.000-06:00Here is a very simple request, Weapon.
Make up yo...Here is a very simple request, Weapon.<br /><br /><B>Make up your mind!</B><br /><br />First, you dismiss a list of refutations because, for some <B>random</B>, bizarre reason, you think that a relative trait that subjectively varies with how the person posts a refutation renders it moot. Sorry, Weapon, but a refutation's soundness is an objective, boolean value.<br /><br />Then, you make fun of me for allegedly being subjective despite the fact that I clearly stated that reality has an objective, absolute truth and pointed out your reliance on a nonsensical, irrelevant, qualitative trait.<br /><br />Stop trying to project <B>your waffling</B> onto me. Stop trying to pretend that your imaginary cardboard cutout applies to real life. Stop living inside the fictional world inside your mind and debate the <B>real</B> me.<br /><br />I believe that reality has an absolute, objective truth, and objective logic that can be used to arrive at previously unknown truths.<br /><br />Weapon, however, waffles, waffles, waffles. Reality in his world changes depending on how much effort a person expends (How "lazy" they are) making a statement. I'd hate to see how much convenience is involved in his morality, given his epistemological nihilism. Come back when you decide that truth exists, Weapon.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-20684199722445699502007-01-25T18:59:00.000-06:002007-01-25T18:59:00.000-06:00Arguments are either sound, or they are not sound....<i>Arguments are either sound, or they are not sound. Arbitrary, meaningless, subjective criteria like "laziness" do not change reality on a person-by-person basis.</i><br /><br />In Bronzedog's world, everything (except his own opinions of course)is subjective.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-27979239553449945772007-01-25T18:58:00.000-06:002007-01-25T18:58:00.000-06:00What does laziness have to do with objective fact?...<i>What does laziness have to do with objective fact? This isn't some mamby-pampy, wishy-washy newage world of subjective reality.</i><br /><br />Your right (we agree for once), only in the fanciful land of the evolutionists.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-62570236705742076082007-01-25T18:57:00.000-06:002007-01-25T18:57:00.000-06:00So, how about you show that you're different and g...<i>So, how about you show that you're different and give a straightforward answer to your own question: What's the basis for your morality? Here's a hint: Arbitrary middlemen and intermediaries don't count.</i><br /><br />You do not hear very well. Selective hearing disease, I presume. My moral standard is the Bible.<br /><br /><b>Since you do not have a moral standard, I guess your only defense is to turn the table.</b><br /><br />TypicalPastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-8268598094510491162007-01-25T18:54:00.000-06:002007-01-25T18:54:00.000-06:00Yeah, just pretend that love, teamwork, and so for...<i>Yeah, just pretend that love, teamwork, and so forth don't exist, and pretend that being unable to compact it all into soundbites is somehow meaningful.</i><br /><br />There is a difference in being able to provide a moral standard and being able to name of moral principles. You are good in the latter but bankrupt in the former.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-76506580972192249212007-01-25T18:53:00.000-06:002007-01-25T18:53:00.000-06:00I find it absolutely hilarious how you pretend we ...<i>I find it absolutely hilarious how you pretend we don't have standards while you're busy arguing that there is no universal truth: It's all relative and subjective, dependent on how much effort I put into an argument.</i><br /><br />Some more wishful thinking.<br /><br />Your fired, allow someone else to be the logical fallacy referee.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-13541480897622807092007-01-25T18:51:00.000-06:002007-01-25T18:51:00.000-06:00Human consciousness doesn't create or alter the un...<i> Human consciousness doesn't create or alter the universe on such a fundamental level. </i><br /><br />Nice strawman, but I never made such statement. If you want to argue that point, I suggest you go to Chopra's blog.<br /><br />For someone who is so ready to blow the whistle on logical fallacies (even when they are valid)you sure make liberal use of them.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-80063664452939403962007-01-25T14:02:00.000-06:002007-01-25T14:02:00.000-06:00When I first started laughing, one of the comments...When I first started laughing, one of the comments I made in my head was "You can't make this stuff up!"<br /><br />But that's exactly what Weapon did, and that's why it's so funny.<br /><br />For the 2+2 thing, Weapon, you might want to focus on getting out of that hole you're sharing with Deepak Chopra. Human consciousness doesn't create or alter the universe on such a fundamental level. The universe doesn't work according to the principles espoused by crystal-wielding, "quantum" dowsing, newage (rhymes with sewage) acupuncturist.<br /><br />I find it absolutely hilarious how you pretend we don't have standards while you're busy arguing that there is no universal truth: It's all relative and subjective, dependent on how much effort I put into an argument.<br /><br />Scroll back up and read the lesson on how objective reality and logic work.<br /><br />Subjective is not objective. Black is not white. Freedom is not slavery. Ignorance is not strength.<br /><br /><i>If you ask an atheist what his moral standard is, the majority cannot give a straightforward answer.</i><br /><br />Yeah, just pretend that love, teamwork, and so forth don't exist, and pretend that being unable to compact it all into soundbites is somehow meaningful.<br /><br />So, how about you show that you're different and give a straightforward answer to your own question: What's the basis for your morality? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory#Criticisms_of_divine_command_theory">Here's a hint: Arbitrary middlemen and intermediaries don't count</a>.<br /><br /><i>I just love it when the opposition copies me. Thanks for the inferred compliment.</i><br /><br />Apparently you don't understand the concept of irony.<br /><br /><i>Mumble jumble. I suppose the bumb down the street who refuses to find a job is not lazy according to your subjective standard. Simplicity escapes you. </i><br /><br />So, if Chewbacca is a wookie, I must acquit? Why, exactly is that?<br /><br />What does laziness have to do with objective fact? This isn't some mamby-pampy, wishy-washy newage world of subjective reality.<br /><br /><B>Arguments are either sound, or they are not sound. Arbitrary, meaningless, subjective criteria like "laziness" do not change reality on a person-by-person basis.</B><br /><br /><i>Well I am glad that you at least confer to Bronzedog's laziness. </i><br /><br />So far, you're the only one who cares about something so meaningless. The rest of us will spend our time in objective reality where truth values don't change every day for every person whenever his mood changes.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-32599439360694570712007-01-25T13:40:00.000-06:002007-01-25T13:40:00.000-06:00Seems like BD's laziness requires more effort than...<i>Seems like BD's laziness requires more effort than yours. </i><br /><br />Well I am glad that you at least confer to Bronzedog's laziness.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-83048095297419413772007-01-25T13:38:00.000-06:002007-01-25T13:38:00.000-06:00Laziness, however, is subjective and relative. The...<i>Laziness, however, is subjective and relative. There are no measurable units of laziness (at least none to my knowledge). You can only define a person's level of laziness relative to someone else's laziness.<br /><br />If you're arguing that the soundness of those talkorigins refutations is dependent on my laziness, you're pretty much arguing that logic and truth are subjective and relative, rather than absolute and objective.</i><br /><br /><br />Mumble jumble. I suppose the bumb down the street who refuses to find a job is not lazy according to your subjective standard.<br /><br />Simplicity escapes you.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-48272417675825203972007-01-25T13:37:00.000-06:002007-01-25T13:37:00.000-06:00It's the one way street of the fundie, in the fanc...<i>It's the one way street of the fundie, in the fanciful land of Intelligent Design!</i><br /><br />I just love it when the opposition copies me. Thanks for the inferred compliment.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-12689246129588132262007-01-25T13:36:00.000-06:002007-01-25T13:36:00.000-06:00If the Bible remains a moral standard even as we "...<i>If the Bible remains a moral standard even as we "THUMBSUCKING, AMORAL, INCOHERENT CRYBABIES" reject it, then is not any standard to which we appeal (i.e. the aforementioned humanist manifesto, secular ethics like Kant's or John Stuart Mill's, or, hell, even that beast known as "common decency") still a standard, though you reject it?</i><br /><br />If you ask an atheist what his moral standard is, the majority cannot give a straightforward answer. The few that do (by making one up, I suppose) give a thousand different standards. The differences in opinion among atheists can hardly be considered a standard. From a historical perspective, none exists.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-43237495218032014022007-01-25T13:32:00.000-06:002007-01-25T13:32:00.000-06:00What's next? Is truth going be determined like a f...<i>What's next? Is truth going be determined like a fall fashion, or aesthetic value? Maybe next you'll tell me that starlight causes cancer when I'm angry, and then cures it when I feel like laughing?</i><br /><br />Well, its certainly cannot be determined from an atheistic standard, since none exist.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-37624441258844122302007-01-25T13:28:00.000-06:002007-01-25T13:28:00.000-06:00Since when was laziness a necessary part of validi...<i>Since when was laziness a necessary part of validity? Does 2 + 2 only equal 4 if I add them really hard?</i><br /><br />According to your worldview, it took millions of years for 2+2 to equal 4.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-35496492988656888542007-01-25T09:47:00.000-06:002007-01-25T09:47:00.000-06:00Cocksnack,
1. You are a fuck. Why do I say that...Cocksnack,<br /><br />1. You are a fuck. Why do I say that instead of refuting your brilliant discourse?<br /><br />2. You are a fuck. Seriously, I need to get inside the mind of a troll. Do you get jollies coming on our blog and typing comments in all caps like a 12 year old AOL gremlin? Do you know what a troll is? <br /><br />3. You are a fuck. A troll is simply a jackass whose sole purpose in life is to annoy other people. I thought you were supposed to knock on doors and hand out fliers and shit?<br /><br />4. You are a fuck. You make me laugh; I don't "debate" you anymore, I just make fun of you. You say stupid shit and never back it up, and require evidence for everything <i>we</i> say. When we <i>do</i> provide evidence, you ignore it.<br /><br />5. You are a fuck. And Jesus was an axe-wielding homosexual serial killer.<br /><br />Fuck Off.Ryan Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-15626955520259912312007-01-25T02:32:00.000-06:002007-01-25T02:32:00.000-06:00At least Bronze Dog formats his "lazy" rebuttals i...At least Bronze Dog formats his "lazy" rebuttals into links. He has to do the whole [a href=""] code and everything. All you do, WoMI, is lift your text straight from whatever idiot site you found it on, and paste it into the window, without regard to length or point. Seems like BD's laziness requires more effort than yours.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-58251777588908107802007-01-24T22:06:00.000-06:002007-01-24T22:06:00.000-06:00I still find the "lazy" complaint funny.
Here's a...I still find the "lazy" complaint funny.<br /><br />Here's a lesson in objective reality, Weapon:<br /><br />The soundness of an argument is a boolean value: It is either sound, or it is not. 1 or 0.<br /><br />To be sound, an argument must have two features:<br /><br />First, its premises must be true. A statement is either true, or it is false. 1 or 0. A premise can't be 64% true and 36% false, for instance.<br /><br />Second, the argument must be valid: The conclusion must logically follow from the premises. It either follows or it doesn't. 1 or 0.<br /><br />Laziness, however, is subjective and relative. There are no measurable units of laziness (at least none to my knowledge). You can only define a person's level of laziness relative to someone else's laziness.<br /><br />If you're arguing that the soundness of those talkorigins refutations is dependent on my laziness, you're pretty much arguing that logic and truth are subjective and relative, rather than absolute and objective.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-53985020099766844812007-01-24T20:51:00.000-06:002007-01-24T20:51:00.000-06:00It's a moral standard which you reject, but nevert...<i>It's a moral standard which you reject, but nevertheless a moral standard indeed.</i><br /><br />[irony]<br />Come one, is this a two-way street or what?<br />[/irony]<br /><br />If the Bible remains a moral standard even as we "THUMBSUCKING, AMORAL, INCOHERENT CRYBABIES" reject it, then is not any standard to which we appeal (i.e. the aforementioned humanist manifesto, secular ethics like Kant's or John Stuart Mill's, or, hell, even that beast known as "common decency") still a standard, though you reject it?<br /><br />[irony]<br />It's the one way street of the fundie, in the fanciful land of Intelligent Design!<br /><br />Ha!<br />[/irony]<br /><br />See how I did that? Great, huh?Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06661441668625677468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-21182124014911984172007-01-24T18:40:00.000-06:002007-01-24T18:40:00.000-06:00Yes, I know how cut and paste links as well.
It's...<i>Yes, I know how cut and paste links as well.<br /><br />It's called a lazy refutation.</i><br /><br />Since when was laziness a necessary part of validity? Does 2 + 2 only equal 4 if I add them <B>really hard</b>?<br /><br />What's next? Is truth going be determined like a fall fashion, or aesthetic value? Maybe next you'll tell me that starlight causes cancer when I'm angry, and then cures it when I feel like laughing?<br /><br />Come back after you've dug yourself out of <a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/12/under-microscope-3-deepak-chopra-on.html">Deepak Chopra's hole</a>.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-43794249366121562182007-01-24T18:28:00.000-06:002007-01-24T18:28:00.000-06:00Funny, I thought you said Biblical morals were rel...<i>Funny, I thought you said Biblical morals were reliable, and yet here you are, bearing false witness.</i><br /><br />Even if it were true, it would be I bearing false witness, not the Bible, unless you can prove that my comment was a direct quotation from the Bible. As usual, simplicity escapes you.<br /><br /><B> YOU MUST BE A THUMBSUCKING, AMORAL, INCOHERENT CRYBABY </B>Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-47569834798574800132007-01-24T18:27:00.000-06:002007-01-24T18:27:00.000-06:00Yes, I know how cut and paste links as well.
It's...Yes, I know how cut and paste links as well.<br /><br />It's called a lazy refutation.Pastor Yamil Lucianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06611833368870472347noreply@blogger.com