tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post3344502391884744444..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Gabe's Theory ThreadRyan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger156125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-5214915636816430602009-12-05T10:47:14.189-06:002009-12-05T10:47:14.189-06:00It's a brave new world after all.It's a brave new world after all.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-48021511038321704492009-12-05T07:33:17.248-06:002009-12-05T07:33:17.248-06:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-4387784180245705822009-10-30T08:32:24.478-05:002009-10-30T08:32:24.478-05:00@ Gabe:
"United States is the most advanced a...@ <a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/15592290350502935456" rel="nofollow">Gabe</a>:<br /><b>"United States is the most advanced and powerful nation on the planet, we created technology and a society in awe around the world, so no, I do not find that to surprising myself."</b><br />From the wording it seems that you are a bit confused, Gabe. There is the Nobel Peace Prize, and there are also the Nobel Prizes awarded for scientific advancement. Our <i>advancements</i> in technology (we didn't create technology, because the U.S. wasn't even around when the first clock was invented) and our society is actually based on ideas from philosophers that are over 2,000 years old.<br /><br />The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to someone who has went above and beyond in an attempt to bring peace from previously strained relations. The Nobel Prizes in physics, biology, etc. are awarded to the scientists who make discoveries. Mother Teresa once won the Nobel Peace Prize, but she never invented anything or furthered technology.Berlzebubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12781519370029903495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-75119227907151066742009-10-29T14:46:30.023-05:002009-10-29T14:46:30.023-05:00Of course, Gabe seems to follow the Graeme Bird sc...Of course, Gabe seems to follow the Graeme Bird school of thought when it comes to burden of proof: It's not up to him to defend his racial hypothesis, it's up to us to demonstrate the nonexistence of large neurology-related gene differences.<br /><br />You know, kind of like how it's up to us skeptics to prove the nonexistence of unicorns.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-3999402564280579572009-10-28T14:40:24.745-05:002009-10-28T14:40:24.745-05:00And before you write off this whole thing Gabe, it...And before you write off this whole thing Gabe, it won't go away. Your "theory of race" NEEDS to acknowledge these major exceptions, which are plentiful world-wide. In the same way that a single instance of a rabbit fossil in the cretacious would require a complete revisal of evolution, in the same way a single instance of mercury moving in a slightly different curve than predicted by newtonian physics required CREATING RELATIVITY to deal with it, these sorts of observations can't be ignored if your "race" thing is going to have any merit.Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-30167616945932442972009-10-28T04:08:19.406-05:002009-10-28T04:08:19.406-05:00MarkCC said...
"Hey, Gabe, you got all of yo...MarkCC said... <br />"Hey, Gabe, you got all of your guesses wrong."<br /><br />And then he goes on to piss all over Gerbriel's pathetic racist slander. No wonder Gerbriel didn't respond, but chose to run away from MarkCC's post. It would have been an even bigger humiliation for Gerbriel.<br /><br /><br />Squeeled by Gerbriel:<br />"And the rest of your sheep gives pretty much the same and calls me an asshole or similar, very mature and educated."<br /><br />Calling Mark CC's wife a whore,and her parents illegal immigrants wasn't very mature or educated. But Gerbriel is too stupid to accept his own racist retardation.<br /><br /><br />JS;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-80020122422898494662009-10-19T20:58:51.183-05:002009-10-19T20:58:51.183-05:00Hey, Gabe, you got all of your guesses wrong.
I m...Hey, Gabe, you got all of your guesses wrong.<br /><br />I met my wife in the US, but she's not American. She was born in Canada. Her parents got there by getting into graduate school for being so damned smart. Her father was a professor of Chemistry at Concordia when she was born. They moved back to Taiwan as a result of some obnoxious Quebequois laws. (In Quebec at the time, you could only send your children to a french-language school unless *you* attended a non-french school in Quebec. Since they didn't speak French, they didn't want their daughter to go to a French-laguage school. So they moved to Taiwan, where she stayed until she graduated from college.<br /><br />Then she got into a Canadian university for a PhD program. Her advisor became pregnant, and was planning on taking several years off - so she changed schools, and wound up at the same grad school as me. We met prepping the the PhD preliminary exams.<br /><br />Have you ever heard of IBM Research? You know, the best corporate research lab in the world today? Yeah, that's where she works, as a professional<br />researcher. <br /><br />I've long since lost count of her professional publications. Which are peer reviewed, like any other scientific publication. And most are *blind* reviewed - meaning the reviewers know nothing about the authors. The reviewers don't know the names of the authors; they don't know where they work. Somehow, she's managed to get somewhere around 50 peer reviewed publications on natural language processing.<br /><br />Have you heard about these projects that they do at IBM, called "deep blue"? Like where they built an IBM computer and software that beat Gary Kasparov at chess? My wife is one of the technical leads in the current deep blue project. IBM isn't passing out jobs on that project; they've got rather a lot staked on it's success. She's one of the people that they chose to work on it. <br /><br />But you know better, right? Because you know *one* thing about her: that she's chinese. And therefore, you know all that you *need* to know to conclude that she couldn't possibly be smarter than a big white man like you.<br /><br />I notice, also, that you didn't bother to answer my question. My ancestors are from Latvia. Does that make me white? I'm Jewish - does that change it?MarkCChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02433158943938317633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-44103528295584095042009-10-11T14:52:35.626-05:002009-10-11T14:52:35.626-05:00I wonder how accidentally spelling a word wrong ev...<b>I wonder how accidentally spelling a word wrong even comes into your comments? You may have noticed that I do not comment when people spell wrods wrong, and most do, its normal.</b><br /><br />You're right, occasional typos are normal. What's not normal is the way you torture both grade school grammar and spelling, then go on to declare yourself the intellectual superior of other races. <br /><br /><b>This is an ad hominem (means an attack on the person rather then argument) which shows you as rather weak as you clearly cant defend your stance and need to attack Me for small spelling errors.</b><br /><br />If my argument were "Gabe makes spelling errors, therefore he's dumb," you'd be right, that would be an ad hominem. What I'm doing however is saying "Gabe is wrong for X, Y, and Z reasons, and he also makes spelling errors that a third grader would catch." That's not ad hominem, that's just adding insult to argument. It's a subtle distinction, I suppose, and one that would require more reading comprehension skill than you have thus far demonstrated, but the situations are distinct nonetheless.<br /><br />Good try, though.<br /><br /><b>And he is the first prize winner that stated this? Other then, say, everyone else?</b><br /><br />I don't know what you mean. At least one other person has declined the prize (Le Duc Tho in 1973), but I don't know how many (if any) other people have said that they don't deserve it. The point, however, is that even Obama's stymied by the choice. <br /><br /><b>United States is the most advanced and powerful nation on the planet, we created technology and a society in awe around the world, so no, I do not find that to surprising myself.</b><br /><br />No, of course you wouldn't. Blind nationalism is a poor replacement for actual thought.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-11400226899341640312009-10-11T14:29:33.187-05:002009-10-11T14:29:33.187-05:00First, Gabe, it's the Nobel Peace Prize.
I wo...<b>First, Gabe, it's the Nobel Peace Prize.</b><br /><br />I wonder how accidentally spelling a word wrong even comes into your comments? You may have noticed that I do not comment when people spell wrods wrong, and most do, its normal.<br /><br />This is an ad hominem (means an attack on the person rather then argument) which shows you as rather weak as you clearly cant defend your stance and need to attack Me for small spelling errors.<br /><br /><br /><b>Second, I agree. Obama's done nothing to deserve it. About the only argument one could make for his receiving it is that he has recommitted the United States to pursuing diplomacy and negotiation over the previous administration's policy of "bomb first, ask questions never." The fruits of this have already been obvious, what with the compromises Iran has already made regarding its nuclear program based on talks with the US, plus that whole pirate fiasco a few months back, but that has all happened since the Nobel nominations process ended. Plus, I'm not sure that those events would outweigh the continuation of two wars, the limp support of healthcare reform, and the lukewarm approach to rolling back the Bush-era executive abuses and closing Gitmo, all of which would seem to go against the values of peace.</b><br /><br />I am ignorant of this "pirate fiasco" but alas, I do not watch the news much. Anyway, we seem to agree.<br /><br /><b>Incidentally, even Obama has said that he hasn't done anything to deserve the prize.</b><br /><br />And he is the first prize winner that stated this? Other then, say, everyone else?<br /><br /><b>I'm sure there were probably better recipients this year, and it strikes me as odd that 3 of the last 8 Peace Prize laureates have been US Democratic Presidents or Vice Presidents. That seems to be a very high number.</b><br /><br />United States is the most advanced and powerful nation on the planet, we created technology and a society in awe around the world, so no, I do not find that to surprising myself.<br /><br /><b>As far as the value of the prize, I generally agree there, too. I think its bankruptcy was established when it was given to the Dalai Lama in the '80s and Mother Teresa in the '70s, but Ed Brayton made a good case for calling it bullshit after Henry Kissinger received it in '73.</b><br /><br />Agreed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-69792057411365292342009-10-11T04:42:51.947-05:002009-10-11T04:42:51.947-05:00Gabriel said...
"President Obama Gets Nobel ...Gabriel said... <br />"President Obama Gets Nobel Peace Price - The Nobel Price is no longer worth squat.<br />What can we conclude of this? That the Nobel Price is no longer worth anything in its prestige and honor. If this pathetic nigger can get the peace price.."<br /><br />Gabe, if Obama succeeds in giving you AIDS so that you die in agony, I'll support his Nobel nomination. The planet will be a better place without your stupid racist presence.<br /><br />JS;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-18589414539909509212009-10-11T02:22:34.258-05:002009-10-11T02:22:34.258-05:00Gabe, we're still waiting on your definition o...Gabe, we're still waiting on your definition of white.Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-55516762345467848672009-10-11T00:26:43.221-05:002009-10-11T00:26:43.221-05:00First, Gabe, it's the Nobel Peace Prize.
Sec...First, Gabe, it's the Nobel Peace <i>Prize</i>. <br /><br />Second, I agree. Obama's done nothing to deserve it. About the only argument one could make for his receiving it is that he has recommitted the United States to pursuing diplomacy and negotiation over the previous administration's policy of "bomb first, ask questions never." The fruits of this have already been obvious, what with the compromises Iran has already made regarding its nuclear program based on talks with the US, plus that whole pirate fiasco a few months back, but that has all happened since the Nobel nominations process ended. Plus, I'm not sure that those events would outweigh the continuation of two wars, the limp support of healthcare reform, and the lukewarm approach to rolling back the Bush-era executive abuses and closing Gitmo, all of which would seem to go against the values of peace. <br /><br />Incidentally, even Obama has said that he hasn't done anything to deserve the prize.<br /><br />I'm sure there were probably better recipients this year, and it strikes me as odd that 3 of the last 8 Peace Prize laureates have been US Democratic Presidents or Vice Presidents. That seems to be a very high number. <br /><br />As far as the value of the prize, I generally agree there, too. I think its bankruptcy was established when it was given to the Dalai Lama in the '80s and Mother Teresa in the '70s, but Ed Brayton made a good case for calling it bullshit after Henry Kissinger received it in '73. <br /><br /><b>If this pathetic nigger can get the peace price, why not Saddam Hussein?</b><br /><br />Well, for one, because Saddam is dead, and the Nobel Prize can't be awarded posthumously. <br /><br />If you'd been paying attention, Gabe, you might have noticed that Obama's not the first black guy to get the award. As it turns out, skin color isn't an impediment to campaigning for peace.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-48395766251370052932009-10-10T18:21:36.739-05:002009-10-10T18:21:36.739-05:00Wow, you're stupid, Gabe. Didn't you pay a...Wow, you're stupid, Gabe. Didn't you pay attention to anything I said about Obama?<br /><br />Oh, wait, that's right, instead of looking at my comments to learn about my thoughts on the matter, you just watch a bunch of Hollywood comedy flicks from the 80's about nerds.<br /><br />I don't see much reason to think Obama's done anything worthy of a Nobel. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to think of anything he's done at all.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-56417840969070768502009-10-10T17:31:41.108-05:002009-10-10T17:31:41.108-05:00President Obama Gets Nobel Peace Price - The Nobel...<b>President Obama Gets Nobel Peace Price - The Nobel Price is no longer worth squat</b><br /><br /><br />What can we conclude of this? That the Nobel Price is no longer worth anything in its prestige and honor. If this pathetic nigger can get the peace price, why not Saddam Hussein? Or some spic on the street? Obama has done nothing more then anyone else and its a shame.<br /><br />We can not declare that anyone that has gotten the Nobel price (from now on) are really not more unique or special then someone that gets a trophy in highschool, it is worth nothing.<br /><br />No doubt you stand behind "the great Obama", but the rest of the intelligent world laughes at it, the Nobel Price is no longer worth shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-40447727047717505452009-10-09T13:52:12.825-05:002009-10-09T13:52:12.825-05:00"Reading these clearly insane self-refuting c..."Reading these clearly insane self-refuting contradictory fallacy-ridden arguments is getting to be like trying to read through Graeme Bird's garbage: it's amusing in the way that watching an invalid shit themselves is amusing, but it's mostly just pathetic, and makes you want to refer them to some professional help."<br /><br />I can't stop laughing at this quote. Pure skeptic gold.<br /><br />Unfortunately Gabe is too stupid to feel humiliated by such a brilliant put down. <br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-85007165494913016672009-10-09T02:50:01.250-05:002009-10-09T02:50:01.250-05:00"But as you continue to demonstrate, facts cl..."But as you continue to demonstrate, facts clearly matter less to you than your baseless prejudices, and those who crow most loudly about the superiority of the white race are its most laughable examples."<br /><br />How many times is this Nazi buffoon going to get his ass handed back to him on a plate?<br /><br /><br /><br />JS;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-2240287016116043872009-10-09T02:45:38.062-05:002009-10-09T02:45:38.062-05:00Gabe, here is your paranoid fantasy in your own wo...Gabe, here is your paranoid fantasy in your own words:<br /><br />"Politically, you should be worried, Today we now have a negro as our Head of State. Someone that no doubt follows the negro policies. Imagine if he gets one of his 'National Healthcare plans' to go through, a way for him to spread HIV to the whites of America, he can force you to be condemned with HIV, maybe it has not sunk in<br />yet, maybe it will if that happens, when you know your expiration date, then you think 'Oh, maybe I should have listen to Gabe'.<br /><br />Of course, you live in a delusional world, you think reality is not real..."<br /><br /><br />Ah, the irony of those last words!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-38837802772030143242009-10-09T00:43:04.760-05:002009-10-09T00:43:04.760-05:00Gabe, you still haven't answered the very basi...Gabe, you still haven't answered the very basic question of:<br /><br />What, exactly, do you mean when you say white?<br /><br />You seem to be unable to even go through a list and check off a string of yes/no answers. Let's try something simpler:<br /><br />Were the Franks white?<br /><br />Can you at least answer that?Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-64996280814498868232009-10-08T23:24:30.713-05:002009-10-08T23:24:30.713-05:00grade school critical thinking
You had actual les...<b>grade school critical thinking</b><br /><br />You had actual lessons in critical thinking in grade school? Congrats, that beats out my grade school.<br /><br />I don't think there's anything sinister to it... good critical thinking, like good math, is <a href="http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf" rel="nofollow">very hard to put on a modern curriculum</a>.<br /><br />I don't think I can add anything to the commentary on those latest comments from Gabe... The man is clearly a raving delusional, carefully insulated from unpleasant facts and the need to truly think.<br /><br />I've got a half-"spic" mother working at MIT, to throw on to the general "Yes, they can be smart." idea. (Center for Information Systems Research at the Sloan School of Management, if anyone's curious.)<br /><br />(One last thing: correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm the second-youngest here. Youngest is King of Ferrets, if I'm right about this.)MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-30166388533854758912009-10-08T16:37:01.882-05:002009-10-08T16:37:01.882-05:00Thanks, Tom. I found myself unable to express just...Thanks, Tom. I found myself unable to express just how fucked up that bit was, but you've summed it up quite well.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-33730064869300512092009-10-08T16:36:19.693-05:002009-10-08T16:36:19.693-05:00I had thought of comparing Gabe to Graeme, too: He...I had thought of comparing Gabe to Graeme, too: He is to the correlation implies causation fallacy as Graeme is to shifting the burden of proof.<br /><br />Also, his epistemology is inherently useless, too. It leaves me to wonder if he EXPERIENCES magicians performing, he'd conclude that it was supernatural powers, rather than misdirection and sleight of hand.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-36209322630251664942009-10-08T16:30:43.787-05:002009-10-08T16:30:43.787-05:00The thing I find most hilarious--at least, right n...The thing I find most hilarious--at least, right now--is that his insane false dichotomies are self-refuting. Ignore for a moment that he seems to think that more than half of the women in China are hookers--which seems to be an untenable economic system--and note the two options he gives for meeting a Chinese woman: either you meet her as a hooker in China, or she is an illegal immigrant (possibly once removed). Even ignoring the insanity of these options, a third possibility is <i>necessarily</i> present as a result: I could meet the daughter of a hooker who a citizen married, thus conferring legal citizenship, and brought over. <br /><br />Reading these clearly insane self-refuting contradictory fallacy-ridden arguments is getting to be like trying to read through Graeme Bird's garbage: it's amusing in the way that watching an invalid shit themselves is amusing, but it's mostly just pathetic, and makes you want to refer them to some professional help.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-4321768166819056882009-10-08T14:47:35.145-05:002009-10-08T14:47:35.145-05:00It's indeed beginning to look like that.
And ...It's indeed beginning to look like that.<br /><br />And on that snippet, he still doesn't realize the difference between facts and theories/hypotheses.<br /><br />Even if Gabe's facts were all completely true, his "race" hypothesis does a piss-poor job of explaining those facts. It even involves ignoring how all the successful scientists say they became successful.<br /><br />His hypothesis, like a Creationist's, is so poorly supported, he earlier ran away from my offer to have him compete with "I don't know." We certainly can't expect him to bother to think about social, political, or economic explanations as the alternatives.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-51816371069782531022009-10-08T14:32:05.256-05:002009-10-08T14:32:05.256-05:00Of course Tom, and Jealousy of the white race is a...<b>Of course Tom, and Jealousy of the white race is also rampant, but if the blog world makes you feel "big" and "strong" you go ahead and question Fact. Bronze do, so obviously his followers, or is that sheep? would as well...</b><br /><br />I guess Gabe's just descended into complete incoherence at this point. Must be all that inbreeding.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-63102328263416090242009-10-08T13:18:07.091-05:002009-10-08T13:18:07.091-05:00Side thought: Gabe seems to be advocating complace...Side thought: Gabe seems to be advocating complacency a lot of the time: "We don't need to bother with the scientific method because our genes will make scientific progress just happen, and without any effort on our part."<br /><br />Of course, this is because Gabriel knows nothing about how science works, and why it's often easier to "steal" than in any Civilization game: Science is a "build on the work of others" enterprise. In the information age, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and any new generation can catch up just by going to a school that teaches the latest concepts. Many wise Asian people apparently realized that, and sent many of their brightest to developed nations or hired tutors from such places. Do it enough, and you can be on the cutting edge almost overnight.<br /><br />Humans are very impressionable, which is why nurturing someone from childhood in the latest science tends to produce individuals capable of extending the frontiers of science. That's why Gabriel's bizarre racial theory is so confusing: I don't see how it can explain Asians catching up so that places like Japan and China could be economic super powers: If they're somehow genetically stupid, how could they understand "white" technologies enough to improve on them or even lead in some fields.<br /><br />One undercurrent I often pick up is that Gabe doesn't believe in individuality: Humans are apparently like insects to him, with fixed responses to stimuli. Someone who plays a video game once will transform into some obese poopsocking WoW player. Someone who looks at a Wikipedia for a quick summary of the scientific consensus will suddenly buy into everything on there and forget grade school critical thinking and retreat from the world. Someone who tends to trust the work of thousands of scientists double-checking each other will subscribe to it like a religion, instead of asking questions when something unusual is said.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.com