tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post4901542540908788039..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Needle in a HaystackRyan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger222125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-7517940866337649952011-03-31T19:41:03.871-05:002011-03-31T19:41:03.871-05:00Let's play a game! Check the date on which Ga...Let's play a game! Check the date on which Gabe claimed to be an "evolutionist". Check the date of his postings on Pharyngula. Now, attempt to feign surprise.<br /><br />It is a very difficult game.<br /><br />However, this does prove conclusively that he was never serious, and has been doing this only to stir people up. As such, we haven't been engaging in a dialogue with him, except possibly when talking about old games. (???)<br /><br />Realizing this makes me really glad that we all had stuff to do in our lives besides follow the comment threads here, because eesh.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-80518136431268662622011-03-31T17:58:40.594-05:002011-03-31T17:58:40.594-05:00Don't worry. Happens to the best of us. I susp...Don't worry. Happens to the best of us. I suspected he was banned from Pharyngula since he made an earlier comment about how PZ couldn't withstand his genius or such crap.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-35518435077375907952011-03-31T17:06:27.222-05:002011-03-31T17:06:27.222-05:00Oops! The Gabriel infestation at Pharyngula was ea...Oops! The Gabriel infestation at Pharyngula was earlier this month and he has already been banned there. I'm clearly behind in my reading.Margaretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-15525751645141007382011-03-31T16:43:56.471-05:002011-03-31T16:43:56.471-05:00Gabriel seems to be infesting Pharyngula at the mo...Gabriel seems to be infesting Pharyngula at the moment as gabriel.bianco78Margaretnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-7858011328899378872011-03-28T22:30:58.624-05:002011-03-28T22:30:58.624-05:00Quick clarification that I realized is necessary. ...Quick clarification that I realized is necessary. The sha1 that matches is the <a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2011/02/christianity-apocalypse-cult-that.html?showComment=1298911971669#c3897461226009595187" rel="nofollow">second</a> one. The first is irrelevant now.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-38234687827581919412011-03-28T22:28:12.390-05:002011-03-28T22:28:12.390-05:00Okay, I'm done waiting.
Just checked the sha1...Okay, I'm done waiting.<br /><br />Just checked the sha1 on this file, it matches. If anyone feels like, you know, making a point, they can sha1 the zip themselves, but I'm mostly doing this for the sake of rigor.<br /><br /><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/maxchase/challenge/forgabe.zip?attredirects=0&d=1" rel="nofollow">linky</a>MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-60759861708947154972011-03-28T10:19:39.136-05:002011-03-28T10:19:39.136-05:00Guess what, everyone! The deadline for the challe...Guess what, everyone! The deadline for the challenge is in less than an hour! I'll give Gabe as much time as I feel like to pull a last-minute conversion <i>back</i> and whip out some devastating evidence, but soon enough the challenge will be controlled only by my whims.<br /><br />It will be officially terminated when I post the file that I SHA1summed four weeks(!!!) ago.<br /><br />(This all assumes that I haven't missed an update to that file. I'll note that if the mtime isn't from February.)MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-40536156601914296742011-03-23T12:56:09.936-05:002011-03-23T12:56:09.936-05:00Ack! MWchase is making me think! I'm coming on...Ack! MWchase is making me think! I'm coming on during a free period, thinking is my bane! Wait, why am I coming here if thinking is my bane? How silly of me.<br /><br />BD: Good luck in getting back on track. Finding new topics might be nice; one thing about you is that while you write about the topics you cover very well, you seem to retread ground often. Writing about new things might help you get more of a passion for blogging again.King of Ferretshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893294460892136598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-54504379523645502882011-03-23T10:29:09.120-05:002011-03-23T10:29:09.120-05:00Anyway, it's good to hear from you again KoF. ...Anyway, it's good to hear from you again KoF. I've been slacking off relative to my blog (aside from easy commenting versus Gabriel), but I'm trying to get back to my own pace. Probably need to get out of my comfortable skeptical topics so that I can have more new stuff to write.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-27761346343022996642011-03-23T07:39:27.238-05:002011-03-23T07:39:27.238-05:00Anyway, he's gone quiet for now. I was thinki...Anyway, he's gone quiet for now. I was thinking of bringing up theological ideas besides Divine Command Theory, for the heck of it.<br /><br />Like, say, the aspect of Calvinism that entry into heaven is predestined, because god is omniscient. I suppose if you accept this as true, then things get into Newcomb's paradox territory. The way I've usually seen it thought about is, if you know you're getting into heaven, then whatever you're going to do is okay with god. Whether that actually happens in the mind of believers is where Newcomb's paradox comes in, I think.<br /><br />And Newcomb's paradox itself raises issues (the same issues, actually, but I'm feeling a little scattered). You've got a being that's supposed to be able to outthink anyone—<i>anyone</i>—else.<br /><br />Mental leap to: the idea that god wants to save people. If that's the case, the surest way to guarantee belief is to demonstrate his power; faffing around like he did after Adam and Eve ate the fruit (hehheh, "ate the fruit") seems counter to that end, and trying to apologize for apparent failures with the excuse "he was fucking with you"<br /><br />Is exactly why Gabe has been so confusing. Huh. I did not mean to bring things full circle-ish like that.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-23670468694020201302011-03-22T20:17:01.325-05:002011-03-22T20:17:01.325-05:00Little of Column A, little of Column B. He's ...Little of Column A, little of Column B. He's always been ratcheting up the rhetoric, which went out of control when he started claiming that Jesus was talking to him. I've got a challenge to that ongoing, set to expire next week (spoiler alert!). However, then he started going on about how he'd been faking it the whole time, and was actually an "evolutionist" all along. Therefore, since he's been trolling us for so long, we should be best friends. I can't tell if he legitimately knows nothing about the positions he's claiming to hold, or if he's feigning ignorance to be an asshole.<br /><br />Bits of peculiarity include claiming to march in lockstep with us, but also still being in favor of reparation therapy.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-75533765030325671372011-03-22T16:55:31.339-05:002011-03-22T16:55:31.339-05:00Yeah, I noticed he'd gotten kinda weird... was...Yeah, I noticed he'd gotten kinda weird... was it a slow transition, or did he just suddenly get crazier?<br /><br />Also, curse you, Google accounts! Accidentally posted this with the account I use for a group YouTube thing instead of my blogging account at first...King of Ferretshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893294460892136598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-12808714592911562132011-03-22T16:52:49.155-05:002011-03-22T16:52:49.155-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12589672100489241230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-82447244734678101452011-03-22T16:21:32.869-05:002011-03-22T16:21:32.869-05:00Well, he's been quiet the last few weeks. I d...Well, he's been quiet the last few weeks. I don't know how closely you read the previous page, but his... everything has gotten all weird and inscrutable. His current course of action seems to indicate that either he's really stupid, or... actually there isn't any other possibility right now. Just different manifestations of stupidity.<br /><br />I'll also state that it's downright surreal talking to him about non-fundy-related stuff. His attitude switches on a dime, and stuff.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-27777714774758280682011-03-22T13:23:58.878-05:002011-03-22T13:23:58.878-05:00Holy crap, I don't pay attention for months on...Holy crap, I don't pay attention for months on end and Gabe is <i>still</i> around? Talk about persistent.King of Ferretshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893294460892136598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-28419170680249027512011-03-14T13:27:02.075-05:002011-03-14T13:27:02.075-05:00Let's get this straight: I point out, in gener...Let's get this straight: I point out, <b>in general terms</b>, some criteria that my decisions are based on.<br /><br />You then point to one fuzzy area.<br /><br />I ask you for more information about the basis of your inclusion of chimpanzees as "sentient."<br /><br />By doing so, I show a willingness to discuss the issue and revise my definitions and opinion based on evidence.<br /><br />And you suddenly treat that simple act as if it were a statement of closed-mindedness.<br /><br />And who's talking about building airplanes? What are you snorting? Do you seriously think anyone other than you would consider a technology which was most likely NOT developed as a result of new neural evolution to be a defining criterion? It's not even a good example.<br /><br />The fact that you bring up airplanes seems to suggest that you think that all modern technological progress is caused by genetics, which is, frankly, cuckoo.<br /><br />I certainly don't see any other explanation that would be consistent with your other rhetoric, but given that you've flip-flopped on everything else, consistency isn't something I'm eager to attribute to you.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-51751388478387621962011-03-14T12:53:43.219-05:002011-03-14T12:53:43.219-05:00How interesting, you sound just like does "ra...How interesting, you sound just like does "racist" you say point out backward negros in Africa... Funny that.<br /><br />According to every single Scientist in the field of Biology would consider Chimpanzees "complex", whatever that means, you do not include details but I suspects its a subjective definition that make sure only humans can be defined as "it", correct? Building planes else no complex?<br /><br />Funny funny. I give up Bronze, you made your views clear, How amusing. You enjoy your blind nodding followers, no questions asked.<br /><br />Gabriel - ByeUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02976095800133696443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-87592412178228809272011-03-14T12:28:22.460-05:002011-03-14T12:28:22.460-05:00We hit the 200 comment per page limit. New comment...We hit the 200 comment per page limit. New comments on a new page.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-36150576020539204752011-03-14T12:27:08.770-05:002011-03-14T12:27:08.770-05:00Yes that would include Chimpanzees, so, are you si...Yes that would include Chimpanzees, so, are you simple going to ignore your hypocrisy here?<br /><br />Or perhaps you consider yourself above Chimpanzees, and thus, they are not included?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02976095800133696443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-6700446647016185592011-03-14T12:26:23.914-05:002011-03-14T12:26:23.914-05:00Funny, I didn't notice terribly complex cultur...Funny, I didn't notice terribly complex culture among chimpanzees. Care to provide examples?Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-5766923822792941902011-03-14T12:23:59.012-05:002011-03-14T12:23:59.012-05:00Yes that would include Chimpanzees, so, are you si...Yes that would include Chimpanzees, so, are you simple going to ignore your hypocrisy here?<br /><br />Or perhaps you consider yourself above Chimpanzees, and thus, they are not included?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02976095800133696443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-22694226578447397142011-03-14T11:56:41.617-05:002011-03-14T11:56:41.617-05:00Anyway, Gabe, what alternative distinction do you ...Anyway, Gabe, what alternative distinction do you suggest there is between humans and other animals?Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-74706703310246086752011-03-14T11:49:54.193-05:002011-03-14T11:49:54.193-05:00You must be using one of the vaguer definitions of...You must be using one of the vaguer definitions of "sentient" than I am.<br /><br />The attributes I am attempting to convey with the word: Sapience, consciousness, self-awareness, complex culture, and so on.<br /><br />Non-sentient animals are capable of emotion and limited learning capability, but aren't capable of the complex thought sentient humans are, and are thus not up to great moral reasoning.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-48176384657143459242011-03-14T11:11:25.528-05:002011-03-14T11:11:25.528-05:00Women are sentient beings, just like men. Therefor...<b>Women are sentient beings, just like men. Therefore they should get treated by the same standards.</b><br /><br />Interesting, so are Chimpanzees? Or Dogs? Or.... Ad infinitum...<br /><br />Yet you do not say the same about them, you seem not to mention it for some reason. Strange.<br /><br />This is called hypocrisy, so let me address that first... How do you say one is sentient therefor, and ignore other sentient beings rights as they have none?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02976095800133696443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-71806429967578147042011-03-14T11:00:15.300-05:002011-03-14T11:00:15.300-05:00Seriously, Gabe, are you on drugs?
Women are sent...Seriously, Gabe, are you on drugs?<br /><br />Women are sentient beings, just like men. Therefore they should get treated by the same standards.<br /><br />Equal pay for equal work.<br />More pay for better work.<br />Less pay for sloppy work.<br /><br />Equal rights.<br /><br />Equal legal treatment: A suspect in a crime should be tried and judged on actual guilt or innocence. Sex shouldn't enter it, just like race shouldn't.<br /><br />You don't need to believe in evolution to understand any of that, just basic secular morality.<br /><br />Besides, last I checked, both men and women are subject to evolution, and for the vast majority of species with the two sex model, they're dependent on each other for reproduction.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.com