tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post839410910469838261..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: White CrowsRyan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-59500746094075069452009-03-23T10:28:00.000-05:002009-03-23T10:28:00.000-05:00No, MrFree Thinker, you're skipping a step there. ...No, MrFree Thinker, you're skipping a step there. The real real world example would be: a group of people (claim to) see a white crow, then another group asks them to show them the white crow, or a picture of him or some other evidence, the first group doesn't manage to show any evidence but still claims the white crow exists and THEN the second group calls them irrational and wrong. Then the first group starts shifting the burden of proof and the second group tries desperately to show them why that's even more irrational and wrong but the first group just won't listen.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12890107401909494588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-85714056834132314132009-02-22T12:19:00.000-06:002009-02-22T12:19:00.000-06:00Just found this relevant cartoon.Just found <A HREF="http://www.evolvedrational.com/2009/02/logic.html" REL="nofollow">this relevant cartoon</A>.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-13802077303884344272009-02-08T20:49:00.000-06:002009-02-08T20:49:00.000-06:00MrFreeThinker:The other group makes fun of those w...MrFreeThinker:<BR/><BR/><B>The other group makes fun of those who saw the white crow and say they are irrational and wrong. The group that saw the white crow says that if you are going to make such claims you are going to have to show a white crow to be impossible.</B><BR/><BR/>In which case it seems <I>you</I> have to prove Terence impossible, rather than me having to prove he is possible. Still waiting.<BR/><BR/>Unless you accept Terence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-39708381108748709232009-02-08T13:55:00.000-06:002009-02-08T13:55:00.000-06:00the real world case would be that if a group of pe...<B>the real world case would be that if a group of people see a white. The other group makes fun of those who saw the white crow and say they are irrational and wrong.</B><BR/><BR/>Thanks, MrFreeThinker. If we had any lingering doubts about your familiarity with "the real world," you have just assuaged them.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-58200087303755407062009-02-08T11:36:00.000-06:002009-02-08T11:36:00.000-06:00So... You believe in Bigfoot because people say th...So... You believe in Bigfoot because people say they saw one?Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-62180986553224338842009-02-08T11:29:00.000-06:002009-02-08T11:29:00.000-06:00No .the real world case would be that if a group o...No .<BR/>the real world case would be that if a group of people see a white. The other group makes fun of those who saw the white crow and say they are irrational and wrong. The group that saw the white crow says that if you are going to make such claims you are going to have to show a white crow to be impossible.MrFreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778096949945818236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-87885030645958857392009-02-05T20:23:00.000-06:002009-02-05T20:23:00.000-06:00Sorry about leaving you hanging there, Infophile. ...Sorry about leaving you hanging there, Infophile. The latest thread he's shown up at is <A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2009/01/honest-if-rhetorical-question.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>. That's where he made the "metaphysically impossible" shift.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-45187278825107738502009-02-04T18:01:00.000-06:002009-02-04T18:01:00.000-06:00Thing is, albinism in crows is possible. While it...Thing is, albinism in crows is possible. While it lacks the punch, something like blue or purple would make more sense.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, crows of either color would imply some things about the world that would advance our understand in various ways. Theology is just a rhetorical power grab (reaching for moral authority) or something.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-37878905584667213252009-02-04T17:18:00.000-06:002009-02-04T17:18:00.000-06:00Sorry, I can't find this comment of his you're ref...Sorry, I can't find this comment of his you're referring to. Mind posting a link?Infophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18309973524623338264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-59989533370775231482009-02-04T15:39:00.000-06:002009-02-04T15:39:00.000-06:00This would require me to study the crow genome to ...<B>This would require me to study the crow genome to show that it'd be impossible to get non-black pigments, that albinism is untenable in the species, etcetera. I'd also have to develop perfect knowledge of development to prove that congenital conditions and such can't produce anything other than a black crow. I might also have to cover the bases by somehow proving that crows are immune to bleaching, painting, and dying, er, the application of dye.</B><BR/><BR/>Actually, even with all of that done, you only would have proven black crows <I>physically</I> impossible. That's the wonderful thing about appealing to metaphysics: it moves the goalposts so far that you can't actually do <I>anything</I> with them unless you can prove that a white crow is <I>in principle</I> impossible, that something about what it means to be a crow on a level deeper than the physical <I>demands</I> that crows be black.<BR/><BR/>Of course, you could play semantic games and define "crow" as "bird that meets these requirements and is black," which means that any white bird that <I>appears</I> to be a white crow isn't a crow by the above definition. But that would be acting like a woo.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06661441668625677468noreply@blogger.com