tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post8667726227256802064..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Gabriel, If You're Reading This...Ryan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-58060322802818342602010-02-28T15:18:22.053-06:002010-02-28T15:18:22.053-06:00Ron: Because it's fun.Ron: Because it's fun.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-60953954125931757372010-02-02T04:53:30.152-06:002010-02-02T04:53:30.152-06:00Bronze dog, why do you bother with answering the q...Bronze dog, why do you bother with answering the questions of someone who is so obviously senile?<br />You should have just told gabe to go back to the circus that he clownishly stumbled out of months ago, and not wasted your time arguing with someone who is intellectually impaired.<br /><br />Ron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-49260777783225215892010-01-21T14:20:41.405-06:002010-01-21T14:20:41.405-06:00I'll only add that other explanations of the m...I'll only add that other explanations of the majority of first world countries being "white" easily explain why many people of other races are succesful, in that they simply make the assumption that there is no superiority in one "race" over another. Your explanation however DOES assume specific racial differences, so it needs to account for that.Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-30998307575684764222010-01-21T13:19:01.993-06:002010-01-21T13:19:01.993-06:00Thanks for putting it so well, DJ.
Gabriel, DJ ju...Thanks for putting it so well, DJ.<br /><br />Gabriel, DJ just summarized what we've been trying to drill into your head since August. Instead of facing any of those questions head on, however, you've been doing nothing but changing the subject whenever the pressure gets on.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-25252218495886607262010-01-21T13:00:02.607-06:002010-01-21T13:00:02.607-06:00Part 2:
The problem is, you are assuming your own...Part 2:<br /><br />The problem is, you are assuming your own conclusion when you try to defend your argument that way. You can't defend your hypothesis simply by restating it when challenged, but that is exactly what you are doing. You are literally stating "that's not any problem because white people are superior" and simply leaving it at that.<br /><br />Do you understand where our stumbling block to accepting your idea is then? There is a reason we keep bringing up genetic evidence and so on. Sure you go on about how you aren't talking about genes, but that's a necessary part of your explanation. You have to explain why we find the world working as it is. If white people are universally "superior", part of your explanation needs to cover why we don't find any genetic evidence to back it up. This is part and parcel of also giving us some evidence we CAN expect to find if it's true, and which we would NOT find if it was not true.<br /><br />In order to do this, it'll take a lot more than what you've been giving us. As you might imagine, this requires you to be very specific about exactly what you are claiming. We have a general idea of what you mean when you say "white" but that's not good enough. We need specifics, as we've asked, what EXACTLY do you mean when you say "white"? What EXACTLY do you mean by "superior" for that matter? What metrics are you measuring this superiority in? What mechanism imparts this superiority if not genes? Why don't we find genetic evidence of this superiority? Why do we find so many clear exceptions to your rule in the form of intelligent and succesful people of other races? What sort of evidence SHOULD we find if your idea was true that we should NOT find if it was not? Explain WHY we should NOT find it if it wasn't. What sort of controls have you used when watching people in other countries that remove your bias from the picture? Why is it that large systematic studies have failed to find what you, alone, have found? Why does your small observation of such a small selection of people "count" for more than those controlled studies?<br /><br />Explain all that, and you are getting somewhere. Ignore this post, show no sign that you have even attempted to understand what I've said, and I think I'm done here. You've served as a fine example to others of poor thinking using a nearly universally rejected idea, and for that much, I thank you.Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-51431757092223795362010-01-21T12:59:34.756-06:002010-01-21T12:59:34.756-06:00Gabe, I am going to state our case as plainly as I...Gabe, I am going to state our case as plainly as I am able to. If you refuse to even respond to these points, I really don't know how I can move on from here.<br /><br />Your argument as near as I can tell is "First world nations are predominatly white because white people are superior."<br /><br />Here is our problem "First world nations are predominatly white" is a description of the current state of affairs, but the SECOND part "because white people are superior" is your explanation, and the first part is NOT evidence of the second part. The first part can have SEVERAL possible explanations, not just "because white people are superior".<br /><br />You MUST understand this point for us to continue. That first world nations have a white majority is not evidence that your explanation "white people are superior" is true. At best, you've come up with a hypothetical explanation for that observation.<br /><br />The next step is where you faulter, you need to provide evidence independant of that first bit to establish your claim. That is, you have to rule out the other competing explanations for this state of affairs. To do that, explain what we should be EXPECTED to find if YOUR hypothesis was true, but OTHER explanations (such as history, resource distribution, and so on) DO NOT predict. This is making your idea falsifiable, and it is criticle to any explanation. If your idea is something you can retroactively call true no matter WHAT we find out about the world (which is why we talk on and on about genetic studies and mental tests and so on), your hypothesis is completely devoid of predictivie power or any meaning at all. Your explanation is just universally true in all possible realities. Gravity isn't even that "true".<br /><br />Another huge problem is your hypothesis NEEDS to explain the existance of exceptions to your rule. Why are there successful people of other races at all? You simply act like this isn't a problem, but it is a MAJOR problem because the entirety of your claim is that the reason there are white people as the majority of first world countries is that they are "superior". Get it? You have to explain WHY some black people become succesful scientists and inventors who help shape the world.<br /><br />Your bias in your personal observations is clear when you take any example of success that a black person does and claim it's just an example of them living off the work of white people, however you never once apply that to yourself. It's for this reason that we demand examples of CONTROLS so we know it's not just your bias feeding back to you when you observe the small population you did.Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-55084295639618491662010-01-21T08:54:36.256-06:002010-01-21T08:54:36.256-06:00@ themann1086:
"I don't know which is mor...@ themann1086:<br /><i>"I don't know which is more vile and revolting: the racism or the ignorance."</i><br />I've gotta go with the willful stupidity in order to hold onto his racism. Ignorance means you don't know any better, but stupidity is when your ignorance is <i>repeatedly</i> pointed out to you but you refuse to acknowledge it.Berlzebubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12781519370029903495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-10257836649532091192010-01-21T08:51:47.864-06:002010-01-21T08:51:47.864-06:00But, but...they CHOOSE to live in teh ghetto!But, but...they CHOOSE to live in teh ghetto!djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-21156152717845580882010-01-20T22:17:32.151-06:002010-01-20T22:17:32.151-06:00And of course Gabe is completely ignorant of both ...And of course Gabe is completely ignorant of both the work done by black slaves on whose broken, whipped backs whites built this country, and the discrimination, both legal and social, that led to the "ghettoization" of America's black communities. I don't know which is more vile and revolting: the racism or the ignorance.themann1086http://steve.mikexstudios.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-77555868977950194772010-01-20T12:13:20.796-06:002010-01-20T12:13:20.796-06:00Thankfully, I did not chastise Gabe for his spelli...Thankfully, I did not chastise Gabe for his spelling.<br /><br />:pdjfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-43714404945285770452010-01-20T10:50:00.862-06:002010-01-20T10:50:00.862-06:00Wasting my time, I know, but I thought I'd thr...Wasting my time, I know, but I thought I'd throw in something from Craig Murray, the former British Deputy High Commissioner for West Africa:<br /><br />"A major reason that Ghana is the most stable and successful of Sub-Saharan African countries, is that traditional landholding patterns were not broken up by colonial usurpation. (White men – and their cattle – died like flies in the climate here. Wheat wilted).<br /><br />Cocoa farming has for well over a century provided the backbone of a thriving agrarian society in Ghana. That widespread economic base has in turn enabled the continuation of traditional chieftaincy institutions and other indigenous forms of government.<br /><br /><b>Colonial population displacement is the root cause of many of Africa’s conflicts. In Kenya and Zimbabwe, conflicts we dismiss as tribal or as the result of African bad governance, in fact come down to the long term consequences of tribes displaced from their land by the British, and being forced to settle in other tribes’ territory.<br /><br />If you don’t understand that, you don’t know Africa.</b> The idea that the land was desolate before whites came, or that African forms of agriculture are unproductive, is nonsense which I tackle in <i>The Catholic Orangemen of Togo</i>."<br /><br />[Bold mine, italics his.]<br /><br />Incidentally, <a href="http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/01/buy_the_catholi.html" rel="nofollow">The Catholic Orangemen of Togo (and Other Conflicts I Have Known)</a> is a very worthwhile read for anyone interested in the real complexities of both post-colonial sub-Saharan Africa and international diplomacy in general, rather than simple-minded jingoism.Duncnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-37360367561135684762010-01-20T10:31:53.461-06:002010-01-20T10:31:53.461-06:00Gabe, you should pay more attention to your own fa...Gabe, you should pay more attention to your own fallacies. And don't get me started on your writing. I figure that after 70 years you would have learned how to construct a grammatically correct sentence. No wonder you seem so out of touch.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-53066413257146542502010-01-20T07:29:55.480-06:002010-01-20T07:29:55.480-06:00@ Gabe:
"United States is the greatest nation...@ Gabe:<br /><i>"United States is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, you are using "bad" parts of the U.S as evidence for me being wrong?"</i><br />"Pot, this is kettle. You're black."<br /><br />And you've been using "bad" parts of every other "non-white" (whatever the hell that means) country as evidence that you're right. You ignore the importance of education, economics, and infrastructure... even when it's been pointed out to you <i>every single time you comment</i>.<br /><br /><i>"You do realize that "bad" in the U.S is an Utopian dream in africa or south america, don't you?"</i><br />Oh, so you've been to Lee County and know what the living situation is there for the poor? Sorry, but by your own standards that's an epic fail.<br /><br /><i>United States of America was created by White man using White intelligence and White moral, We became the greatest because of this. Africa is a dump, Visit it and you realize.</i><br />And Lee County is a dump ran by a predominantly white (again, whatever the hell that means) population.<br /><br /><i>That negros in United States create Ghettos is evidence of what they are, backwards and pathetic, evidence ones again you ignore. There is a reason they create own societies they call "ghettos", that is how they want to live, it is natural for them just as it is natural for us to create space ships and computers.</i><br />That the hillbillies of Lee County live in houses that are falling apart and have no inclination to move in order to seek a better income is apparently evidence that they are backward and pathetic, evidence that you ignore. And I haven't seen anyone who lives in Lee County create a space ship. I do know of some that make computers, but I haven't seen any design and build their own circuit boards.<br /><br /><i>You need to realize this, if I removed all the technology we made, white man, you would not be to happy as eveyrthing you use today would no longer be around and you would have a club and a piece of rock to bang, just as Africans do in Africa if yhey do not have access to WHITE MANS TECHNOLOGY.</i><br />Wow... and advances in mathematics were first developed in (I'm assuming) "non-white" India and Egypt. Without it the "white" technology wouldn't be possible.<br /><br />Also, while the "white" men were still living nomadic lives and having clan wars the Egyptians were constructing cities and the Great Pyramids. Of course, at the time they had the benefit of a good economy, education, and infrastructure, but according to you we can ignore all of that.<br /><br /><i>"Welcome to the White world. Respect it."</i><br />Welcome? Tell me, Gabe. What nationality (or combination thereof) am I? You keep saying that different races have different levels of intelligence and inclination, so prove it.<br /><br />Also, I give respect where it is earned. If you look at the <a href="http://www.math.wichita.edu/~richardson/timeline.html" rel="nofollow">history of mathematics</a>, you'll notice that the critical developments were done by nationalities that we well developed at the time. The earliest being the Egyptians and Summerians.<br /><br />Welcome to the <i>real</i> world. Respect it.Berlzebubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12781519370029903495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-10987494830051387042010-01-19T23:18:12.802-06:002010-01-19T23:18:12.802-06:00Gabe, stop hiding from the question:
Who do you m...Gabe, stop hiding from the question:<br /><br />Who do you mean when you say white?<br /><br />Your continued refusal to answer, (and often even acknowledge), the question makes you look like you are either a coward, an idiot or dishonest.<br /><br />It's not a hard question, why can't you answer it?<br /><br />I've even offered to break the question down for you, into easy to manage pieces like: "Are Italians white?" Even then, you refuse to give an answer.<br /><br />Are you too stupid to come up with an answer? Are you worried that an answer will cause you problems? (Not that your refusal isn't.) Do you not want to be nailed down to an actual answer that you will not be able to change when it is convenient for you?<br /><br />Stop hiding and answer the question. Without an answer, your entire position is meaningless.Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-17770216015733886822010-01-19T16:54:41.796-06:002010-01-19T16:54:41.796-06:00I think we can safely say Gabriel is a substance d...I think we can safely say Gabriel is a substance dualist: "White" is vague, nebulous "something" outside the physical universe, and thus allegedly beyond science. Which is why he goes crazy whenever we try to apply the scientific method.<br /><br />Of course, this entails <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsPn5dXfTvA" rel="nofollow">the usual contradictions</a>.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-76659595564456658252010-01-19T16:41:18.766-06:002010-01-19T16:41:18.766-06:00Gabriel: United States is the greatest nation the ...Gabriel: <b>United States is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, you are using "bad" parts of the U.S as evidence for me being wrong?</b><br /><br />Obviously, you didn't read what was written. Berlezebub provided an exception <i>you can't explain</i>. Throwing a jingoist hissy fit isn't going to change that.<br /><br /><b>United States of America was created by White man using White intelligence and White moral, We became the greatest because of this. Africa is a dump, Visit it and you realize.</b><br /><br />More evidence that Gabriel believes "white" is a mystical, magical thing completely unrelated to the physical universe.<br /><br />The problem, Gabriel, is that <b>you</b> are the one who can't explain why the US is prosperous and why Africa isn't. You can't explain it because you can't even be bothered to define your theory or terminology.<br /><br />We can, and we have provided general explanations. Countless times. Instead, you ignore them and wave around "race" and "white" as if they were mystic words and waggle your fingers trying to look spooky.<br /><br />When is it going to penetrate your thick skull? When are you going to demonstrate even the slightest effort to understand <i>what it is we disagree about</i>, instead of whining about stereotypes manufactured by your postmodernist hippie commune?<br /><br />Gabe, why are you so utterly terrified of even defining what you're talking about? Your utter silence on that question speaks volumes: You're not interested in formulating an explanation, you're interested in spending eternity as a troll who waffles on the issue, changing your views whenever it suits you.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-76937142111488490582010-01-19T16:22:03.351-06:002010-01-19T16:22:03.351-06:00United States is the greatest nation the world has...United States is the greatest nation the world has ever seen, you are using "bad" parts of the U.S as evidence for me being wrong?<br /><br />You do realize that "bad" in the U.S is an Utopian dream in africa or south america, don't you?<br /><br />United States of America was created by White man using White intelligence and White moral, We became the greatest because of this. Africa is a dump, Visit it and you realize.<br /><br />That negros in United States create Ghettos is evidence of what they are, backwards and pathetic, evidence ones again you ignore. There is a reason they create own societies they call "ghettos", that is how they want to live, it is natural for them just as it is natural for us to create space ships and computers.<br /><br />You need to realize this, if I removed all the technology we made, white man, you would not be to happy as eveyrthing you use today would no longer be around and you would have a club and a piece of rock to bang, just as Africans do in Africa if yhey do not have access to WHITE MANS TECHNOLOGY.<br /><br />Welcome to the White world. Respect it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-40724367652669327612010-01-19T12:55:39.539-06:002010-01-19T12:55:39.539-06:00@ Gabe:
If being white gives people an advantage, ...@ Gabe:<br />If being white gives people an advantage, then why is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_County,_Virginia#Economy" rel="nofollow">one of the poorest counties</a> in Virginia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_County,_Virginia#Demographics" rel="nofollow">over 98% white</a>? Also, I know you seem to despise Wikipedia, but I can vouch for the information because that's the county I lived in for 23 years.<br /><br />The jobs available are predominately blue collar (coal mining, tobacco farming, etc.) and the educational system isn't what it could be if it had better funding. If my father hadn't been a book lover, I might very well still be down there and working for a mining company. However, instead I went into engineering, got a degree (from a college outside of Lee County) and moved to a more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Cincinnati" rel="nofollow">culturally diverse and afluent locality</a>.<br /><br />So if race is so important, why is an area with a mixture of races doing better economically than one that is >98% "white"?Berlzebubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12781519370029903495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-79295762679087984872010-01-19T01:40:00.150-06:002010-01-19T01:40:00.150-06:00Let us start with a little lesson for Gabe:
Socio...Let us start with a little lesson for Gabe:<br /><br />Sociologists know how to preform studies so that individual correlations can be distinguished. One common way of distinguishing economic effects from other potential causes is to divide each set up by economic status, then make comparisons between the groups at each economic level.<br /><br />I can't be certain, but I'd be willing to bet that the studies Random is alluding to have just those controls.<br /><br /><br />Now, what you've all been waiting for, (except for Gabe, who is still hiding from it), THE QUESTION:<br /><br />Gabe, who do you mean when you say white?<br /><br />Will Gabe finally answer it, or will he continue to chase the record currently held by Sylvia Browne for ducking things?Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-40873412108472334942010-01-18T21:50:02.046-06:002010-01-18T21:50:02.046-06:00Also, poverty can be the proximate cause of obesit...Also, poverty can be the proximate cause of obesity, at least in the West. Poor quality food, like that available in a lot of economically depressed areas, is often high in calories, but low in nutrition.<br /><br />Which you'd know, Gabe if you, y'know, read stuff.Jim Robertshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13168308019214687820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-67386131446455753202010-01-18T21:24:49.177-06:002010-01-18T21:24:49.177-06:00I'm not seeing an explanation for how your mag...I'm not seeing an explanation for how your magical, non-genetic "race" thing causes stuff, Gabe.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-58328799854389349352010-01-18T20:18:18.382-06:002010-01-18T20:18:18.382-06:00Also, you are making a lot of blind assumptions ab...Also, you are making a lot of blind assumptions about this new person here. What evidence do you have that this person lives in a ghetto? Why assume that they are starving? "Unknown" never said as much.<br /><br />Then again, you are also assuming they aren't intelligent, and calling them "little" just this person said they were black. So, seriously, can you finally see how your bias leads you to make judgement calls without evidence?Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-4519684055738629672010-01-18T20:13:13.761-06:002010-01-18T20:13:13.761-06:00Ahem, again I have to point out that your descript...Ahem, again I have to point out that your description is inaccurate. Not all blacks live in ghettos, and intelligence has not been linked to race at all. You can't just announce that as your explanation for certain economical difficulties without evidence. Show your work.Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-43954733587717804622010-01-18T17:59:43.703-06:002010-01-18T17:59:43.703-06:00Black people have the lowest of all these.
Yes, i...Black people have the lowest of all these.<br /><br />Yes, it is quite hard to be obese when you do not have food. Whites have negatives because of all our positives, we have unlimted food, unlimited technology etc. We are so advanced that pay a negative price for it.<br /><br />"You blacks" do not have the intellect we whites have, thats why you live in ghettos, thats why africa is a dump etc. I already explained this. You use poverty (starvation) as an excuse to "not being obese", irony meter blowing up little man.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-38952891104245026842010-01-17T14:57:38.997-06:002010-01-17T14:57:38.997-06:00Hi gabe,
First time poster, long tiume mocker of ...Hi gabe,<br /><br />First time poster, long tiume mocker of your idiocy.<br /><br />White people have the highest levels of obesity, divorce, and unemployment. <br /><br />Black people have the lowest of all these.<br /><br />So we're superior to you now, right?<br /><br />Not to mention the OTHER way we're better than you. Thank's for mentioning BD's "Jelousy". It reminded me of you.<br /><br />You ever think of why you hate us Blacks? The REAL reason? Think about it. Feeling a little inadequate? It's OK just hate some more Blacks and it'll make the pain go a way for a while.<br /><br />Random<br />Prince of Montreal<br /><br />PS: BTW I'm very hurt by your use of the word "Nigger" we prefer the term "Nubian Jungle Gods"Randomnoreply@blogger.com