tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post115687212856392153..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Doggerel #37: "Organic"Ryan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1161370068239744512006-10-20T13:47:00.000-05:002006-10-20T13:47:00.000-05:00Heh, didn't check this post for a while. Just want...Heh, didn't check this post for a while. Just wanted to point out that I wish I could always assume that statements like Usagi's are sarcasm. Unfortunately, with people out there crazy enough to say stuff like that (and much worse) seriously, my sarcasm detector is up for a major retuning.Infophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18309973524623338264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1158250755798209052006-09-14T11:19:00.000-05:002006-09-14T11:19:00.000-05:00The real problem is food containing DNA. Even org...The real problem is food containing DNA. Even organic food contains DNA! Join the movement for <A HREF="http://home.iprimus.com.au/ttguy/" REL="nofollow">DNA free food</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1157243459866252552006-09-02T19:30:00.000-05:002006-09-02T19:30:00.000-05:00Thank you, Big C, although I suppose infophile's r...Thank you, Big C, although I suppose infophile's read is valid (maybe a <I>/snark</I> instead of ...). What I meant was that I have trouble digesting food made from nonorganic materials (plastic, metal, etc.).<BR/><BR/>There is also a third side to the argument though. In some products, there is a difference in taste that not everyone can appreciated. I bake. I'm picky. The fact that 90% of the people who eat my stuff would go <I>oh that's good</I> regardless of execution problems that frustrate me is irrelevant. There are a few recipes that you can't substitute and get the same result. (A prime example being one of my grandmother's coffee cake recipes that I fought to get right for years--I had the text, but I'd never seen her make it. I finally realized she <B>always</B> used McCormick's Vanilla Extract. It's a way less complex vanilla than I use for my cakes, but to get the taste of that item correct, I can't substitute something else.)<BR/><BR/>So, there is another explanation for not tasting the difference: your palate isn't as sensitive to the differences. And just because most people's aren't doesn't mean that there isn't a difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1157119404375758172006-09-01T09:03:00.000-05:002006-09-01T09:03:00.000-05:00infophile wrote: "I believe the definition my chem...infophile wrote: "I believe the definition my chemistry teacher gave me for 'Organic' was a molecule containing both Carbon-Carbon and Carbon-Hydrogen bonds. Of course, it's purely arbitrary. Silicone chains (alternating Carbon-Silicon chains) have many similar properties to Carbon chains, yet they're not 'Organic' for some reason. "<BR/><BR/>By the definition you give, methane is not organic (no C-C bonds since there's only one C atom in it.) That does seems rather arbitrary. The definition my chem teacher gave just required carbon and hydrogen which makes methane organic, but carbon dioxide inorganic. Actually requiring the hyrdogen isn't completely arbitrary if you consider that the word "organic" comes from the word "organism."<BR/><BR/>Le Canard Noir wrote: <BR/>"Their philosophy had been heavily influenced by Rudolph Steiner who had a lot of mystical beliefs about the nature of soil."<BR/><BR/>Rudolph Steiner? Are you serious? I associate that name with biodynamics which makes "organic" farming look conventional. "Batshit" doesn't begin to cover it.<BR/><BR/>Oh Bronze Dog... You were looking for something to eviscerate. How about biodynamics? While you're at it, there's an obvious follow up Doggerel post: The misuse of the word "chemical" as the opposite of organic.<BR/><BR/>Inquisitive RavenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1157117665762397372006-09-01T08:34:00.000-05:002006-09-01T08:34:00.000-05:00True, pesticide runoff can be a problem. That's on...True, pesticide runoff can be a problem. That's one reason I'm rooting for GM crops that have built-in protections from pests.<BR/><BR/>That's the tricky thing about the environment: It's hard to minimize your impact.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1157117345085690142006-09-01T08:29:00.000-05:002006-09-01T08:29:00.000-05:00Perhaps the pesticide residue on the produce is wa...Perhaps the pesticide residue on the produce is washed away before it is eaten, but what about the pesticide (and fertilizer) that is washed away from the fields?<BR/><BR/>I don't disagree with you completely -- I don't have the evidence to do so -- but I can't help thinking that spreading large amounts of chemicals in places they do not naturally occur has the potential for serious harm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1156961836440898342006-08-30T13:17:00.000-05:002006-08-30T13:17:00.000-05:00The weirdest use of "organic" I ever heard was the...The weirdest use of "organic" I ever heard was the statement that "cooking food makes it inorganic." At that very moment I refused to believe that the subject being discussed had any basis in reality, and it has since caused fights between myself and the one who uttered it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1156939824770602932006-08-30T07:10:00.000-05:002006-08-30T07:10:00.000-05:00Infophile, I think your sarcasm detector is on the...Infophile, I think your sarcasm detector is on the fritz.Big Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02475844932543383723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1156918817788468682006-08-30T01:20:00.000-05:002006-08-30T01:20:00.000-05:00Personally, I can't stomach inorganic food...I'd r...<I>Personally, I can't stomach inorganic food...</I><BR/><BR/>I'd recommend you get a friend to help you out with a test of this. Get two versions of some food that you generally like, one "organically" grown, one "inorganically." Do a little scientific experiment to see if you can tell them apart (have your friend present both to you, with s/he knowing which is which but not you). Of course, one trial isn't enough to prove it scientifically one way or the other, so repeat it if necessary.<BR/><BR/>If you're anything like the people in the studies mentioned in this post, you won't be able to taste the difference. Most likely, your perception that you can't stomach inorganic food is a psychosomatic response to your bias against them.Infophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18309973524623338264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1156896885489179592006-08-29T19:14:00.000-05:002006-08-29T19:14:00.000-05:00Personally, I can't stomach inorganic food...Personally, I can't stomach inorganic food...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1156881857836592742006-08-29T15:04:00.000-05:002006-08-29T15:04:00.000-05:00I believe the definition my chemistry teacher gave...I believe the definition my chemistry teacher gave me for "Organic" was a molecule containing both Carbon-Carbon and Carbon-Hydrogen bonds. Of course, it's purely arbitrary. Silicone chains (alternating Carbon-Silicon chains) have many similar properties to Carbon chains, yet they're not "Organic" for some reason. Even in the chemical world, the word seems to qualify for a Doggerel entry.Infophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18309973524623338264noreply@blogger.com