tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post115751457954958530..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Under the Microscope #1: Sylvia Browne 08/30/2006Ryan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-23749467429990764062008-05-10T06:39:00.000-05:002008-05-10T06:39:00.000-05:00I think I'll add something I forgot. I have a goo...I think I'll add something I forgot. I have a good idea what it would take to convince me of psychic powers, and it's nothing overbearing, at least not for someone who can actually do as they claim.<BR/><BR/>The question I put to you is this. Would any evidence be able to convince you to change your mind and conclude, at least tentatively, that psychics don't exist? If nothing I say could ever convince you, is that really something to be proud of? Is that really open minded, totally convinced of something with no evidence and no way to ever convince you otherwise?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-50539404042590484312008-05-09T10:03:00.000-05:002008-05-09T10:03:00.000-05:00Well said, DJ.Well said, DJ.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-70770813209167351162008-05-09T00:42:00.000-05:002008-05-09T00:42:00.000-05:00I have a few things I'd like to say here.For one, ...I have a few things I'd like to say here.<BR/><BR/>For one, you seem to assume right off the bat that we have not looked into her ourselves when you say "give her a shot". It's not like we're just hearing "she's psychic" and shutting our ears and just shouting out "it's not real!".<BR/><BR/>For the most part, everyone here actually looked into her track record. She does a lot worse than you think. "Near water" is a true statement in pretty much any location (deserts excluded, but seriously no one expected victims to be found in some distant desert).<BR/><BR/>Then you wonder why we bother looking into her. There's really something contradictory about that. So which is it? Should we look into her or not? If you are saying we need to "give her a shot" well that's how we give psychics and anyone else making claims a shot, by actually checking out their prediction record.<BR/><BR/>She's never actually prevented a single disaster I'll note. If she is capable of seeing these things, wouldn't that make her guilty of horrible attrocities by note of her willingly hiding information?<BR/><BR/>What you really seem to be asking us to do is to blindly accept what she says at face value. How do you get progress out of something like that?<BR/><BR/>Here's something we should share. If psychic powers exist, and we should discover that to be the case, I'm not going to be "embarressed". If there's an afterlife, I'd be glad. I mean that's eternity. I can live with a few seconds of "I told you so's" I'm pretty sure. Does humiliation at the very thought of being wrong just completely run your life?<BR/><BR/>It's more important to reach a conclusion through reason than to be able to blindly say "I believe" at every single claim out there just so that if one of them by chance happens to be right (and if you arne't using evidence, it all comes down to chance) and then being able to say "I told you so". It really seems a sad way to go about things. All you seem to want is to be able to say after the fact that "I totally liked that band before they were cool".<BR/><BR/>Should Sylvia prove her abilities some day (which I doubt, and have good reason to, but am fully willing to accept if evidence should surface) I'd be quite happy. That's an entire new field of science opened up, and every other field of science would be overturned almost to the root. That's not something scientists are afraid of. Something like that wins nobel prizes, grants, and the sheer satisfaction of new things to explore.<BR/><BR/>But, as of yet, nothing has turned up in any way. If you really think it's true, surely you have nothing to fear from looking at it with a critical eye right? I mean if it has an effect, it can be measured. I don't mean measure as in "use the PSI meter" (though some psychics apparently try to use such imaginary devices), I mean measure in terms of down to earth results, in real testable predictions.<BR/><BR/>I'll also say one more thing. That post isn't very PK Rockin'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-90735861572720088562008-05-08T16:37:00.000-05:002008-05-08T16:37:00.000-05:00"Soul pathing"?"Soul pathing"?Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052684196866992031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-76851123981913454602008-05-08T15:03:00.000-05:002008-05-08T15:03:00.000-05:00Anonny said:It hurts to see all these comments whe...Anonny said:<BR/><BR/><I>It hurts to see all these comments when I've experienced it first hand.</I><BR/><BR/>First hand experience doesn't count for much. People are fallible and can be fooled.<BR/><BR/><I>She is definitely not fake, she was bang on about several things. She was correct not only with location but exact names.</I><BR/><BR/>Got a recording?<BR/><BR/><I>She really is amazing but I guess some people just have a closed mind, I fortunately grew up having a sister whom was a medium herself.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-4-closed-minded.html" REL="nofollow">Doggerel #4</A>.<BR/><BR/><I>It is hard for people to comprehend, it took me long enough but I have to admit it's scary the first time there right.</I><BR/><BR/>I've seen lots of this sort of stuff. When you see as much as I have and know the tricks psychics use, it's downright boring. I have yet to see an impressive psychic. <A HREF="http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/" REL="nofollow">Sylvia Browne would be boring if she wasn't so evil</A>.<BR/><BR/><I>I say believe what you want but when you cross over your going to feel like a real fool writing comments and analyzing every word and writing it down. I mean really why sit and go over a recording....sounds odd to me.</I><BR/><BR/>In other words, you don't see the point in being curious? Apparently you are incapable of feeling wonder.<BR/><BR/><I>I am now not going to continue wasting my time on closed minded people as I used to be, give her a shot you will be AMAZED.</I><BR/><BR/>1. You've effectively confessed to being closed-minded by questioning the need for my open-minded inquiry.<BR/><BR/>2. Why should I spend $750 dollars on someone with such a poor track record?<BR/><BR/>3. Why doesn't she answer skeptical challenges?<BR/><BR/><I>Go get soul pathing anything from any recognized name and I guarantee you will be rushing back her to erase your rude comments. </I><BR/><BR/>If you didn't waste your first post spouting hateful, presumptive, nihilistic garbage, here's what I would predict (based on experience with epistemological nihilists like you) would happen if I went to a "recognized name": I get an unimpressive reading and you declare the psychic I visited to be a fake "everyone" knows is a fake, or claim that I'm blocking, or whatever. My efforts to point out the use of the scientific method to distinguish between real and fake psychics would be <A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/12/doggerel-50-science-doesnt-apply-to-woo.html" REL="nofollow">summarily dismissed</A> because you think science is all about <A HREF="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TechnicolorScience" REL="nofollow">technicolor liquids and Jacob's ladders</A>. And you'll like having such <A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/07/doggerel-30-you-need-to-think-outside.html" REL="nofollow">a cramped, claustrophobic, closed worldview</A>.<BR/><BR/>Of course, why should I rely on something so flimsy as a typical cheat-friendly reading? Just get me a psychic who will agree to JREF-style protocols, which are designed to be objective. Anything else is simply asking for bias.<BR/><BR/>Finally, you aren't doing much of a job setting an example for politeness. You're playing the part of a cynical misanthrope in your comment. In your infinite arrogance and hubris, you've claimed to know me before bothering to test me. I would give you a chance to prove me wrong, but you've already declared an end to the discussion because of your bigotry.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-75987161908762886322008-05-08T14:12:00.000-05:002008-05-08T14:12:00.000-05:00It hurts to see all these comments when I've exper...It hurts to see all these comments when I've experienced it first hand. She is definitely not fake, she was bang on about several things. She was correct not only with location but exact names. She really is amazing but I guess some people just have a closed mind, I fortunately grew up having a sister whom was a medium herself. It is hard for people to comprehend, it took me long enough but I have to admit it's scary the first time there right. I say believe what you want but when you cross over your going to feel like a real fool writing comments and analyzing every word and writing it down. I mean really why sit and go over a recording....sounds odd to me. I am now not going to continue wasting my time on closed minded people as I used to be, give her a shot you will be AMAZED. Go get soul pathing anything from any recognized name and I guarantee you will be rushing back her to erase your rude comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1164860135084449792006-11-29T22:15:00.000-06:002006-11-29T22:15:00.000-06:00The problem with the murder mysteries: She's not r...The problem with the murder mysteries: She's not really doing anything <I>at all</I>. Or at least nothing that can be verified. No one seems to ever follow later to see if she got anything right.<BR/><BR/>As for the books: <A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/06/doggerel-19-read-my-book.html" REL="nofollow">I seriously doubt it'd be worth the time and money</A>.<BR/><BR/>If you'd like to present the arguments presented in the books, feel free to stop by <A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/08/big-sylvia-browne-thread.html" REL="nofollow">The Big Sylvia Browne Thread</A>. Intended to be a general place for that sort of thing.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1164859590639876552006-11-29T22:06:00.000-06:002006-11-29T22:06:00.000-06:00Yeah uhh, they arent interupting shes not saying t...Yeah uhh, they arent interupting shes not saying the names, they dont air the names of the murderers and such on television.<BR/><BR/>You should actually read some of her books first, there's a lot of logic involved and it really explains a lot of other things goin on in the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1163004020592537922006-11-08T10:40:00.000-06:002006-11-08T10:40:00.000-06:00Do you have ACTUAL proof that Sylvia Browne is a F...<I>Do you have ACTUAL proof that Sylvia Browne is a FRAUD???? Or is it just your mind thinking that way?</I><BR/><BR/>No, and I don't need it. I'm not deeply committing to that claim. Put simply, the core of my stance is that I don't see any evidence of her honesty, considering that she's from a profession that has no basis in fact.<BR/><BR/><I>You see fault in everyone?</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, but most is nitpickery. Sylvia falls well outside mere nitpickery.<BR/><BR/><I>Who is to say she isn't telling the truth??</I><BR/><BR/>Shifting burden of proof. What evidence is there to say that she is telling the truth?<BR/><BR/><I>I'm not a pyschic and I am betting that you aren't either, so whose to say she isn't right?</I><BR/><BR/>Prove that psychics exist. You could get a million dollars.<BR/><BR/><I>If you can give me ACTUAL PROOF that she is a fraud then I will beleive you, but not until then. Unless!!!!! you can't do that. Thanks.</I><BR/><BR/>My suspicions of her fraud aren't the issue. She claims to be psychic. Why don't you demand proof of that first before believing her? If I had to guess, you're employing the magic of double-standards.<BR/><BR/>It'd be much easier for Sylvia to provide proof, and there's been an ongoing invitation for her to do that over the past five years, and yet she chooses to make stuff up about Randi rather than go through a proper test of her powers.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1163003465648132642006-11-08T10:31:00.000-06:002006-11-08T10:31:00.000-06:00Do you have ACTUAL proof that Sylvia Browne is a F...Do you have ACTUAL proof that Sylvia Browne is a FRAUD???? Or is it just your mind thinking that way? You see fault in everyone? You said you wouldn't aid a criminal...of course not and who would?? But, Sylvia is not a criminal. I have been watching her since I read your website, stating she is a fraud. Who is to say she isn't telling the truth?? I'm not a pyschic and I am betting that you aren't either, so whose to say she isn't right? My guess is as good as yours. If you can give me ACTUAL PROOF that she is a fraud then I will beleive you, but not until then. Unless!!!!! you can't do that. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1161790655715938122006-10-25T10:37:00.000-05:002006-10-25T10:37:00.000-05:00Also, you must have no life of your own and have t...<I>Also, you must have no life of your own and have to deflect off of someone else.</I><BR/><BR/>Let's see if I've got this straight: People accuse me of judging Sylvia unfairly if I don't watch her stuff, and when I do, I suddenly have no life?<BR/><BR/><I>To put someone down like this is utterly disrespectful and your mother should be slapped for making a monster like you.</I><BR/><BR/>What's monstrous about showing disresepct to someone worthy of disrespect?<BR/><BR/><I>How ashamed she must feel!</I><BR/><BR/>She's proud of me. She thinks America's going down the tubes because people in the media are too afraid to criticize objectively wrong things.<BR/><BR/><I>It's people like you that make others wonder why this world is so fucked up!</I><BR/><BR/>What, <B>honesty</B> is ruining the country?<BR/><BR/><I>You have no self sepect and no respect for other people.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/08/doggerel-35-you-must-lead-miserable.html" REL="nofollow">Typical Doggerel</A>.<BR/><BR/>Riiiiight. Because my measure of respect for all of humanity is based on how I treat a likely fraud.<BR/><BR/><I>What a sin. Did your mother never tell you "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all?" Bitch slap to you and your mother.</I><BR/><BR/>Let me guess: If I witness a crime, I should avoid testifying.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I don't aid criminals. Sylvia is saying things that are not true. If you want to argue about that ARGUE ABOUT THAT. Don't change the subject to something as irrelevant as me: An arguer is unimportant to the arguments he makes.<BR/><BR/>The truth is what matters, and your efforts to distract people from that won't succeed here.<BR/><BR/><B>So, do you actually have something ON TOPIC to talk about?</B>Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1161789939076654452006-10-25T10:25:00.000-05:002006-10-25T10:25:00.000-05:00You are definitely a skeptic! Also, you must have ...You are definitely a skeptic! Also, you must have no life of your own and have to deflect off of someone else. To put someone down like this is utterly disrespectful and your mother should be slapped for making a monster like you. How ashamed she must feel! It's people like you that make others wonder why this world is so fucked up! You have no self sepect and no respect for other people. What a sin. Did your mother never tell you "If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all?" Bitch slap to you and your mother.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1158334356460830342006-09-15T10:32:00.000-05:002006-09-15T10:32:00.000-05:00Wonder if I could get a set of smileys or somethin...Wonder if I could get a set of smileys or something for this place.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1158333910355511752006-09-15T10:25:00.000-05:002006-09-15T10:25:00.000-05:00Hey! I wasn't drunk! I was maybe 12 at the time; ...Hey! I wasn't drunk! I was maybe 12 at the time; I didn't start drinking until several years after that! Plus also, drinking only results in two images. Not that I would know anything about that.<BR/><BR/>I had just emerged from a relatively well-lit interior, though, which might matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1158328359704491542006-09-15T08:52:00.000-05:002006-09-15T08:52:00.000-05:00Shown in ddoouubbllee vviissiioonn!(where drunk) ;...Shown in ddoouubbllee vviissiioonn!<BR/>(where drunk) ;)Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1158327823343627742006-09-15T08:43:00.000-05:002006-09-15T08:43:00.000-05:00Next guest is someone who went stargazing. Saw thr...<I>Next guest is someone who went stargazing. Saw three stars in a triangle (along side a dramatization showing an equallateral triangle, though she didn't specify that, yet).</I><BR/><BR/>Hey, that happened to me, once! And it was an equilateral triangle, near as I could tell. Never turned green, just eventually (after maybe 10 seconds) resolved into the usual view of Venus. I have no idea why it looked like 3 dots, but it sure did for a while. Could be either optical (I don't think an eyelash could do that, but maybe something else could) or neural (something in the motion-detection layer of the retina, maybe?)<BR/><BR/>I wonder if anyone else has had this, and if so what is it? I'm gonna stay away from 'aliens' as a preferred explanation, 'cause I wore a red shirt today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1157567923315212042006-09-06T13:38:00.000-05:002006-09-06T13:38:00.000-05:00No doubt! Those Commercial Breaks were freakin' in...No doubt! Those Commercial Breaks were freakin' invaluable!<BR/><BR/>And how'd you get that picture of an Actual Soul Theft?! aMAZing!Michael Bainshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13734972725056899460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-1157558612549821272006-09-06T11:03:00.000-05:002006-09-06T11:03:00.000-05:00I admire your dedication, and I appreciate the pai...I admire your dedication, and I appreciate the pain you must have experienced as you slogged through all of her B.S. I know I couldn’t have done it; I had a hard enough time reading what this swindler was spouting without smashing my monitor to bits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com