tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post1470679934551576911..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Subvert That Trope!Ryan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-31118906630245583102008-11-21T11:21:00.000-06:002008-11-21T11:21:00.000-06:00Sounds good.One thing that the player could have t...Sounds good.<BR/><BR/>One thing that the player could have to contain is the spread of an analog of a small nuke. Can't put that genie back in the bottle.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-89746193025623408862008-11-21T11:13:00.000-06:002008-11-21T11:13:00.000-06:00One way to subvert "Can't Thwart Stage One" withou...One way to subvert "Can't Thwart Stage One" without winning the game then and there is to have underlings continue their evil deeds after the boss is dead. It needn't even be the same evil plot, especially if you're going with small-scale evil plots.<BR/><BR/>This would also be a good place to subvert <A HREF="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoPlansNoPrototypeNoBackup" REL="nofollow">No Plans No Prototype No Backup.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-54814790262374968712008-11-20T17:11:00.000-06:002008-11-20T17:11:00.000-06:00If I remember correctly, one of your themes in the...If I remember correctly, one of your themes in the game would be stuff that happens because of the recently connected worlds, like racism, arms dealing to kill races vulnerable to certain damage, developing economoic ties, etc. Diplomacy, economic issues, civil rights, all that sort of stuff could provide for some more minor plotlines.King of Ferretshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893294460892136598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-81292954208220134542008-11-20T13:28:00.000-06:002008-11-20T13:28:00.000-06:00One of the themes I'm trying to go for is smaller ...One of the themes I'm trying to go for is smaller scale events than saving the world. The problem is that I can't think of much to draw from. Just about every game involves saving the world or defeating some princess-kidnapping person. I'll need to get around to that when I've got more free time.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-91671257832942730812008-11-20T13:11:00.000-06:002008-11-20T13:11:00.000-06:00There were a few storyline branches, weren't there...There were a few storyline branches, weren't there? I can't really see that kind of thing working except as a really demented New Game Plus option with its own storyline, especially given that part of the idea of Final Exam Boss is that you've learned what everything does. Putting it at the beginning would make it, like... Entrance Exam Boss.<BR/><BR/>Of course, as my posts over there somewhat establish, I have no real <I>problem</I> with demented storytelling. Speaking of... I can't really see an in-story reason for such a powerful boss. I think that such a boss would be some kind of metaphor for a theme that BD sought to eliminate from UP.<BR/><BR/>I don't remember this being discussed... If the final boss isn't a vast, impersonal cosmic horror that threatens all of existence with the merest scattering of its toenail clippings, what should it be, in-story? (Mechanically, a bit stronger than previous bosses, and intended as a challenge for the leveled-up party...) A recurrent minor villain with a grudge against the party, personally?MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-41627419399439881782008-11-20T12:41:00.000-06:002008-11-20T12:41:00.000-06:00Why don't you subvert both by having the Final bos...Why don't you subvert both by having the Final boss fight at the beginning of the game. Do the game in a sort of <B>Pulp Fiction</B> style story line. The major events will all happen at or near the beginning, regardless of their natural chronolgoical order, with the focus on how all these large events tie together.Wikinitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16662942824534085891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-48211354634310301642008-11-20T00:32:00.000-06:002008-11-20T00:32:00.000-06:00Subverting a Final Exam Boss for UP: Suppose I cou...Subverting a Final Exam Boss for UP: Suppose I could avert it, at least. With all 5 characters in the same location, there'd be at least a few new ways to combine some of their abilities.<BR/><BR/>You Can't Thwart Stage One: Definitely think it'd be good to have a few successful instances of doing this.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-57760758723401572842008-11-18T16:00:00.000-06:002008-11-18T16:00:00.000-06:00I'm guessing segueing into a cutscene in which the...I'm guessing segueing into a cutscene in which the player character starts pulling out weapons he/she/it never acquired in-game would be the wrong way to do it. (At least for the tone you want. In a sillier game, it could work.)<BR/><BR/>Perhaps finding novel uses for a few of the lower-powered items. Preferably in a way that has a different 'feel' than their normal use. Because, it seems to me, that with the kind of feel in the Platformer, that the player would know they were doing something.<BR/><BR/>Whereas, Pythagoras... maybe just force the player to be <I>really good</I> at the basics of flight and combat.<BR/><BR/>I'm really not sure...<BR/><BR/>I think seeing <A HREF="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitlej908554evmk7" REL="nofollow">You Can't Thwart Stage One</A> subverted would be deeply satisfying. Because, really, if there isn't an overarching megalomaniacal fiendish über-plan, then none of the villains should have proper plot armor. I suppose this is naturally taken care of by the fact that the character/situation that this supports doesn't exist in UP, but it bears repeating.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-82000757130626824552008-11-18T14:16:00.000-06:002008-11-18T14:16:00.000-06:00Final Exam Boss. I'd like to see you find a way to...<A HREF="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FinalExamBoss" REL="nofollow">Final Exam Boss</A>. I'd like to see you find a way to subvert that. (It not being the final boss doesn't count.)King of Ferretshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893294460892136598noreply@blogger.com