tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post6305074056718357952..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Jesus Versus RoswellRyan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-19630936732745818532009-01-18T17:41:00.000-06:002009-01-18T17:41:00.000-06:00I've got an upcoming post on a History's Mysteries...I've got an upcoming post on a History's Mysteries show that did the experiment BD mentioned, but I don't think that's the original source; I recall reading about it before, either in Demon-haunted World or Why People Believe Weird Things. then again, my memory could be wrong.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-21193585482476857262009-01-17T16:56:00.000-06:002009-01-17T16:56:00.000-06:00The Roswell show can be found on youtube. Great sh...The Roswell show can be found on <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwnQl8xohbo" REL="nofollow">youtube</A>. Great show, from what I remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-63518102783592837222009-01-17T15:18:00.000-06:002009-01-17T15:18:00.000-06:00Because they had other knowledge that got disappea...Because they had other knowledge that got disappeared/other ways of knowing/people are SHEEEEEEEEEEEP.<BR/><BR/>You can have 9/11 deniers who just claim that the rest of... everybody is easily misled and delusional.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-92026540782395640782009-01-17T13:19:00.000-06:002009-01-17T13:19:00.000-06:00What I love about conspiracy nuts is that unasked ...What I love about conspiracy nuts is that unasked question whenever they try to defend the lack of evidence with "it was all covered up by THEM". That is, okay, so if there's no evidence at all for it, why do you think it happened?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-4783947253401129392009-01-16T17:58:00.000-06:002009-01-16T17:58:00.000-06:00Barely related, but I managed to read that as "Of ...Barely related, but I managed to read that as "Of course, the reality is <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messier_object" REL="nofollow">messier</A>."<BR/><BR/>Back on topic, it does seem that you could turn that """satirical""" post he made into a similar """satire""" written by a Roswell believer.<BR/><BR/>But, beyond that, it gets into the special treatment you talked about people wanting over there... My thoughts... while what I'm about to say smacks somewhat of the elitism displayed by people who say that "Some people should believe, just because otherwise their lives wouldn't have any meaning"... It's a simple fact that our experience of the world stems from our perceptions, and therefore we can only have 'goals' in terms of those perceptions... Even if somebody argues that our perceptions do not reflect 'reality', they are all we have to work with. Granting that rhetorical rigmarole, science can <I>still</I> be cast as finding correspondences between actions and our perceptions. Since these perceptions form the basis of any goals we have, it's <I>still</I> 'useful' in a predictive and prescriptive sense, even if said rhetorical stuff would alter what it described...<BR/><BR/>Which is a really long-winded way of saying something that most people who read this blog already believe.MWchasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08195851187187771113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-58357318668156306172009-01-16T17:03:00.000-06:002009-01-16T17:03:00.000-06:00This is something I've noticed a lot lately, since...This is something I've noticed a lot lately, since I've been digging into the conspiracy theories and autism-woo again. The same points, same fallacies, same tactics, and same failures of thought seem to pop up again and again, regardless of the subject of irrational belief. <BR/><BR/>And at the center of it is that casual assumption of personal infallibility, which I think is at the core of the elevation of eyewitness testimony/anecdotal evidence, correlation/causation confusion, and the smug arrogance with which these groups treat the outsiders. Personal experience trumps clinical trials, earwitnesses trump forensic evidence, and if you don't believe them, then you're a naive sheep who trusts the government story implicitly, or you're a shill for Big Pharma who cares only about money and not the individuals, or you're just a disciple of the religion of science. They're personally infallible, so if they can show that you're personally impeachable, then they've won. The evidence never even enters into it. <BR/><BR/>Of course, the reality is messier. After all, believers in the resurrection have no eyewitnesses to draw from, and so they either have to ignore the basic facts of the Gospel writing, or they have to assume that it's the only time in history that a game of telephone has resulted in a perfectly-transmitted story. Similarly, the believers in the Roswell account have to ignore the actual eyewitness testimony from the time, which describes a small debris field with strips of rubber, sticks, and aluminum foil--certainly not the remnants of any advanced alien spacecraft. When the witnesses conflict with the narrative, they have to be rationalized away too, even if they were the original foundation for the story.Tom Fosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796424725228769265noreply@blogger.com