tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post8868775959834528281..comments2024-01-25T13:46:11.967-06:00Comments on The Bronze Blog: Free Energy RantRyan Michaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14750814560493466382noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-42402125836340463672009-11-04T22:03:09.026-06:002009-11-04T22:03:09.026-06:00Jacqueline:
I don't believe in a post scarcity...Jacqueline:<br /><i>I don't believe in a post scarcity economy. There will always be things that are beyond the resources of a civiliztion to manufacture, even with huge amounts of energy at their disposal.<br />The point I'm making is that there is plenty of energy around in the universe. You just have to be clever enough technologically to harness it.</i><br /><br />In that case, I don't think we actually disagree. There may be a lot of energy around, but it will always cost something to acquire, and that make sit scare in the economists' sense.<br /><br />And I also agree that post-scarcity economic is a subject for fiction and we should be looking for real power generation alternatives, like some of the ones you outlined.James Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-76221537798618775892009-11-04T06:51:01.011-06:002009-11-04T06:51:01.011-06:00James K said:
"But that's the thing, a re...James K said:<br />"But that's the thing, a resource is only a resource if you have the means to collect and use it at a reasonable price (I can define reasonable robustly, but not in a blog comment). At some point we will harness the Sun and become a Type 2 civilisation, but as the price of energy falls, output will rise until we start running into constraints again, and then we're back to scarcity."<br /><br />I don't believe in a post scarcity economy. There will always be things that are beyond the resources of a civiliztion to manufacture, even with huge amounts of energy at their disposal.<br />The point I'm making is that there is plenty of energy around in the universe. You just have to be clever enough technologically to harness it.<br />Woo merchants want magical power supplies that "change the laws o' physics" rather than learning about tokamaks, or OTECs, or solar powered electrolysis of water to provide hydrogen burning as a source of energy.<br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-52018772892731322022009-11-04T06:42:09.109-06:002009-11-04T06:42:09.109-06:00Gerbriel squeeked:
"Bronze, seriously. You se...Gerbriel squeeked:<br />"Bronze, seriously. You seem to excuse everything EXCEPT race."<br /><br /><br />You exclude everything except race, and whats more you scream RACE in the face of mountains of evidence against your baseless prejudice. Not only that, Garbriel, your racially skewed perceptions are wrong about other races, for instance:<br /><br />MarkCC said... <br />"Hey, Gabe, you got all of your guesses wrong.<br /><br />I met my wife in the US, but she's not American. She was born in Canada. Her parents got there by getting into graduate school for being so damned smart. Her father was a professor of Chemistry at Concordia when she was born. They moved back to Taiwan as a result of some obnoxious Quebequois laws. (In Quebec at the time, you could only send your children to a french-language school unless *you* attended a non-french school in Quebec. Since they didn't speak French, they didn't want their daughter to go to a French-laguage school. So they moved to Taiwan, where she stayed until she graduated from college.<br /><br />Then she got into a Canadian university for a PhD program. Her advisor became pregnant, and was planning on taking several years off - so she changed schools, and wound up at the same grad school as me. We met prepping the the PhD preliminary exams.<br /><br />Have you ever heard of IBM Research? You know, the best corporate research lab in the world today? Yeah, that's where she works, as a professional<br />researcher. <br /><br />I've long since lost count of her professional publications. Which are peer reviewed, like any other scientific publication. And most are *blind* reviewed - meaning the reviewers know nothing about the authors. The reviewers don't know the names of the authors; they don't know where they work. Somehow, she's managed to get somewhere around 50 peer reviewed publications on natural language processing.<br /><br />Have you heard about these projects that they do at IBM, called "deep blue"? Like where they built an IBM computer and software that beat Gary Kasparov at chess? My wife is one of the technical leads in the current deep blue project. IBM isn't passing out jobs on that project; they've got rather a lot staked on it's success. She's one of the people that they chose to work on it. <br /><br />But you know better, right? Because you know *one* thing about her: that she's chinese. And therefore, you know all that you *need* to know to conclude that she couldn't possibly be smarter than a big white man like you."<br /><br /><br /><br />So your big racial super kwisatz haderach ubermenschitty is just imaginary. You have to appeal to ALL white folks being superhuman because that lets you think that you aren't some sad little Nazi missionary that can't understand what Richard Dawkins writes about.<br />You are really pathetic gerbil boy.<br />Go back to your hole and curl up beside your memoirs of a Nazi loser. <br /><br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-6490933238548858542009-11-03T22:48:42.949-06:002009-11-03T22:48:42.949-06:00Jacqueline:
There most definately IS more than eno...Jacqueline:<br /><i>There most definately IS more than enough energy for our civilizations' uses coming from the sun. The problem is building enough orbital, or planet based, solar power stations to harness that energy.</i><br /><br />But that's the thing, a resource is only a resource if you have the means to collect and use it at a reasonable price (I can define reasonable robustly, but not in a blog comment). At some point we will harness the Sun and become a Type 2 civilisation, but as the price of energy falls, output will rise until we start running into constraints again, and then we're back to scarcity.<br /><br />Gabriel:<br /><i>For example, the hatred for Hitler and his book, which they NEVER READ is strange, insulting him not being able to look at history objectively, shows the similarities your people share with creationists and other loons.</i><br /><br />By his own lights Hitler was a dismal failure, he died a coward's death in a bunker because he didn't have the courage to face the Russians without there being an army between him and them.<br /><br />His hubris and defective vision meant that not even the efficiency and innovation of the excellent German army were able to help him. He tried to fight everyone at once, tried for symbolic victories over substantial ones and wasted countless German lives (presumably there are people whose lives you actually care about) well after the point where defeat was certain.<br /><br />Leaving aside his rhetorical ability, the man was a failure at everything he did. If he's the best your philosophy can produce, no wonder we all think you suck.James Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-39672919251862575772009-11-03T20:54:11.524-06:002009-11-03T20:54:11.524-06:00I'm reminded of another argument:
"Becau...I'm reminded of another argument:<br /><br />"Because I, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, creator of Sherlock Holmes, cannot think of a non-magical way Houdini could escape from that sealed trunk, I know by process of elimination that he de-materialized and re-materialized."<br /><br />That's what happens when an argument from ignorance/lack of imagination get stuck in an otherwise intelligent person's brain. It involves the arrogant assumption that you know all the possibilities and probabilities in advance.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-75677631721259328912009-11-03T20:37:17.660-06:002009-11-03T20:37:17.660-06:00Gabe, once again failing to understand what my pos...Gabe, once again failing to understand what my position is and why I stick to it:<br /><br /><b>Bronze, seriously. You seem to excuse everything EXCEPT race.<br /><br />Or rather, to formulate it better, anything except Race is accepted. You do not find that strange?</b><br /><br />Kind of like how I accept hot reading, cold reading, stage magic, mentalism, confirmation bias, the law of large numbers, and so on and so forth, but reject psychic powers that work "<a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2009/11/doggerel-213-just-because-its-magic.html" rel="nofollow">just because</a>."<br /><br />All those social, political, economic factors are mundane, explainable forces that can be seen at work. In addition to those known causes, I don't accept your race hypothesis because it goes against known biological science (how the hell can you dilute something genetic?) and its alleged effects shrink when other factors are reduced.<br /><br /><b>That you seem to IGNORE the fact that entire nations are almost 100% one race and wonderful, whiles another is 100% negro is horrible... YOU seem to have decided thats its everything EXCEPT the race.</b><br /><br />You still don't understand, do you? Really sad that my failure to commit the same logical fallacy you do is brandied about as something bad.<br /><br />I suppose next you're going to say that global warming is caused by the lack of pirates because it's correlated with their decline. Or that ice cream sales cause crime because they both increase at the same time (in summer).<br /><br /><b>Fine, lets go with you then, its not race. So tell me Bronze, WHY are the WHITE Scandinavians so good of compared to their negro brothers?</b><br /><br />Argument from lack of imagination and shifting the burden of proof are also fallacies. But I suppose I shouldn't expect much from someone who thinks American Idol is a model of epistemology.<br /><br />Text 555-6789 if you think the sky is chartreuse.<br /><br />Here's the thing Gabe: I'm the guy saying your photo of a fuzzy dot in the sky is unlikely to be an alien spacecraft. I don't need to investigate which of the multiple known, mundane causes of lights in the sky, camera artifacts, etcetera.<br /><br />Pointing your finger at the bad photo and waggling your eyebrows and how I can't explain it doesn't make you right. This is something everyone is supposed to know.<br /><br />Of course, we're all familiar with the scent of a woo's desperation. Your arguments are built on the same flawed structure as any newage (rhymes with sewage) retro hippie.<br /><br />I may not know the exact socioeconomic causes of African poverty, but I don't even need to have any idea at all: I'm the skeptic, you're the advocate. You're the one trying to prove it's race, and you're armed only with logical fallacies.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-47150363463073491532009-11-03T19:16:56.044-06:002009-11-03T19:16:56.044-06:00Bronze, seriously. You seem to excuse everything E...Bronze, seriously. You seem to excuse everything EXCEPT race.<br /><br />Or rather, to formulate it better, anything except Race is accepted. You do not find that strange? That you seem to IGNORE the fact that entire nations are almost 100% one race and wonderful, whiles another is 100% negro is horrible... YOU seem to have decided thats its everything EXCEPT the race.<br /><br />Fine, lets go with you then, its not race. So tell me Bronze, WHY are the WHITE Scandinavians so good of compared to their negro brothers? Race has nothing to do with it, as you claim, so WHY are they so well off¿ And why are the White areas in America so well off whiles spic and negro ghettos Bad? Race has NOTHING t odo with it, remember? So whats this weird causation dear sir?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-66980096762965950962009-11-03T17:57:03.931-06:002009-11-03T17:57:03.931-06:00So Gabe, are you ever going to get around to defin...So Gabe, are you ever going to get around to defining what you mean when you say white?<br /><br />(NB: Pointing to that horridly written story doesn't work, unless you want to include Egyptians and Hispanics as white.)<br /><br /><br />Now for a bit of a history lesson: Getting Hispanics out of the US by 'sending them back where they came from' doesn't work without either getting rid of large chunks of the US or sending people to Europe. This is because the Hispanics were there before the US, and their ancestors were no more native to the Americas than the English, French or Dutch.Chakat Firepawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02002352879959672258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-46300281325525819412009-11-03T16:45:21.192-06:002009-11-03T16:45:21.192-06:00And posted.<a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2009/11/doggerel-213-just-because-its-magic.html" rel="nofollow">And posted</a>.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-61891626790151257602009-11-03T16:17:48.310-06:002009-11-03T16:17:48.310-06:00But what about PYGMIES+DWARFS!1!?
Explain.But what about PYGMIES+DWARFS!1!?<br /><br />Explain.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-12726461859624078322009-11-03T16:17:44.299-06:002009-11-03T16:17:44.299-06:00Oh, color me surprised. Gabe brings up his correla...Oh, color me surprised. Gabe brings up his correlation equals causation fallacy yet again, ignoring many very real forces that provide explanations more parsimonious than "unspecified, hypothetical magic genes did it."<br /><br />Got a Doggerel entry in the pipeline you might want to read when I finish.<br /><br />So, Gabe: Will you explicitly state that race is genetic as your recommended dictionary said? If so, will you retract your contradictory statements about race being "diluted" by cross-breeding?Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-50512410290221605832009-11-03T16:08:30.855-06:002009-11-03T16:08:30.855-06:00Lets see, What nations are the most superior in th...Lets see, What nations are the most superior in the world?<br /><br />Are they NEGRO or WHITE?<br /><br />Yes, we gt the SCANDINAVIANS and AMERICA, what problems do we see in Scandinavia? YES, FROM THE IMMIGRANT MUSLIMS and ni America we got negro and spic GHETTOS.<br /><br />explain.<br /><br />sorry, keyboard broke, i am in one o these highly advanced spic nations remember.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-87739639014525397452009-11-03T15:21:30.493-06:002009-11-03T15:21:30.493-06:00I've known a few jewish people. I've prob...I've known a few jewish people. I've probably known more, except for the fact I never ask people about their heritage because I just don't care. Honestly had they not out and out told me, I wouldn't have known as they were pretty much just like EVERYONE ELSE I've known.<br /><br />This brings me to you once again dodging my question. I'll ask again. Can you tell who here is what race just by our discussion here, and if not, why not?Dark Jaguarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-14577076571675341642009-11-03T14:37:58.909-06:002009-11-03T14:37:58.909-06:00Gerbriel squeeked:
"It is so sad seeing the ...Gerbriel squeeked:<br /><br />"It is so sad seeing the hatred for History and a good world amongst these people Bronze."<br /><br />Yeah, like you even know any history that isn't viewed through your sad little Nazi worshipping SS tinted wankfantasy spectacles. <br /><br /><br />"For example, the hatred for Hitler and his book, which they NEVER READ is strange, insulting him not being able to look at history objectively, shows the similarities your people share with creationists and other loons."<br /><br /><br /><br />Have you read Mein Dumbkopf in the original deutsche then schiessekopf?<br /><br />"The jewish problem is a hisotirc one and there is many signs to show that the "holocaust" was a jewish invention to get access to America and infect it like roaches. Look at America today, we are the ones that harvest the biggest amount of jews, WE are forced to deal with them."<br /><br />Some of the Jews you hate so much fought for Germany during the first world war, and got the iron cross for their bravery. They weren't cowards like you Gerbriel.<br /><br />"Just like gypsies, faggots and aids, its omsething you dont want, I dont see France, Britian or Russia opening their arms for jews, WHY?" <br /><br />You are full of hate aren't you sad little gerbil?<br />What will you start shitting on about next from the Nazi wankfantasy religion you hide behind? Will you go on about how anyone you hate is to be gassed to death?<br /><br /><br />"But you wont touch that, will you."<br /><br />You sad little halfwit, regurgitating your predigested Nazi wankfantasies on this fair site to try to get some publicity for your pathetic Nazi worship. You have no argument that you can logically or intelligently defend, so you spout your pathetic faith in dead dork Hitler and his fellow untermensch lackies instead.<br />Does it piss you off that your supposed super race got their asses kicked and that their leader commited suicide rather than face the humiliation of a trial.<br />You ran away from Mark CC's put down. It's a pity that you didn't do a Hitler too.<br /><br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-66995621209067499462009-11-03T12:55:48.689-06:002009-11-03T12:55:48.689-06:00"I never copy pasted anything, thankyouvery m..."I never copy pasted anything, thankyouvery much."<br /><br />You're a fucking liar, Gabe.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-79215610708847222702009-11-03T12:45:32.536-06:002009-11-03T12:45:32.536-06:00Argumentum ad populum: Because millions of people ...Argumentum ad populum: Because millions of people who worship a bread zombie who was nailed to a tree and know nothing about genetics can't possibly all be wrong.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-82697883624290583732009-11-03T12:43:10.122-06:002009-11-03T12:43:10.122-06:00Oh, and I like the whole denial of the Holocaust w...Oh, and I like the whole denial of the Holocaust while admitting TEH JEWS are a problem.<br /><br />Gabe, just admit it. They tried to solve TEH PROBLEM and failed.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-57188965881151322842009-11-03T12:39:46.581-06:002009-11-03T12:39:46.581-06:00So tell us, Gabe, why doesn't anyone want TEH ...So tell us, Gabe, why doesn't anyone want TEH JEWS?<br /><br />I'd like to hear it from you.djfavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165780321291494058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-16419112756790968292009-11-03T12:37:40.459-06:002009-11-03T12:37:40.459-06:00Gabe:
For example, the hatred for Hitler and his ...Gabe:<br /><br /><i>For example, the hatred for Hitler and his book, which they NEVER READ is strange, insulting him not being able to look at history objectively, shows the similarities your people share with creationists and other loons.</i><br /><br />Hitler was evil. Unless you're going to argue that the Holocaust never happened, I don't see how you can argue otherwise.<br /><br />As for Mein Kampf, care to actually give us an example of something worthwhile from it?<br /><br /><i>The jewish problem is a hisotirc one and there is many signs to show that the "holocaust" was a jewish invention to get access to America and infect it like roaches. Look at America today, we are the ones that harvest the biggest amount of jews, WE are forced to deal with them.</i><br /><br />Oh, great, now I know you're an idiot who denies history. I should probably call in Orac to get you some Respectful Insolence, now, since I'm not an expert in Holocaust deniers.<br /><br /><i>Maybe you never thought, WHY does no one on the planet WANT the jews? MAYBE, just MAYBE its because they are not something you want? Just like gypsies, faggots and aids, its omsething you dont want, I dont see France, Britian or Russia opening their arms for jews, WHY? We got stuck with them because of the second world war, WHY dont anyone want them Bronze? Strange indeed.</i><br /><br />Did you learn epistemology from watching American Idol? Just because an idea's popular doesn't mean it's true.<br /><br />Text 555-1234 if you want Pi to equal 3.20.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-66490132071052063722009-11-03T12:26:02.544-06:002009-11-03T12:26:02.544-06:00It is so sad seeing the hatred for History and a g...It is so sad seeing the hatred for History and a good world amongst these people Bronze.<br /><br />For example, the hatred for Hitler and his book, which they NEVER READ is strange, insulting him not being able to look at history objectively, shows the similarities your people share with creationists and other loons.<br /><br />The jewish problem is a hisotirc one and there is many signs to show that the "holocaust" was a jewish invention to get access to America and infect it like roaches. Look at America today, we are the ones that harvest the biggest amount of jews, WE are forced to deal with them.<br /><br />Maybe you never thought, WHY does no one on the planet WANT the jews? MAYBE, just MAYBE its because they are not something you want? Just like gypsies, faggots and aids, its omsething you dont want, I dont see France, Britian or Russia opening their arms for jews, WHY? We got stuck with them because of the second world war, WHY dont anyone want them Bronze? Strange indeed.<br /><br />But you wont touch that, will you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-53665226351013262272009-11-03T04:19:46.993-06:002009-11-03T04:19:46.993-06:00Gerbriel squeeked:
"I recommend you to read &...Gerbriel squeeked:<br />"I recommend you to read 'What a Wonerful Race', its a truly wonerful story, I include the link once again, I hope you wont be to CRITICALLY minded as other members here."<br /><br />There gerbil, fixed it for you. Repeating dewey eyed Nazi wankfantasies from a UK based meat head won't add any more "evidence" to your baseless prejudices.<br /><br /><br />JS:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-7050751695010444012009-11-03T04:12:26.357-06:002009-11-03T04:12:26.357-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-61167821741366886702009-11-03T03:10:44.198-06:002009-11-03T03:10:44.198-06:00James K said...
"Jacqueline:
Sorry, I droppe...James K said... <br />"Jacqueline:<br />Sorry, I dropped into economist jargon for a minute there. In economics terms "scarce" means that there isn't enough of the thing to provide as much of it as everyone could ever want."<br /><br /><br />Then using such a term was erroneous. There most definately IS more than enough energy for our civilizations' uses coming from the sun. The problem is building enough orbital, or planet based, solar power stations to harness that energy.<br /><br />James K said... <br />"The laws of physics themselves seems to demand that energy is scarce, always and everywhere."<br /><br />The statement above is so wrong I don't know where to start.<br /><br />JS;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-15150249295998588882009-11-02T22:13:01.030-06:002009-11-02T22:13:01.030-06:00Bronze Dog:
There should be something like "A...Bronze Dog:<br /><i>There should be something like "Argumentum ad alternate universe." It's akin to appeal to the future, but displaced into a hypothetical timeline.</i><br /><br />The terms that I know for it is "arguing a counter-factual" its happens pretty often in social sciences since you can't run human history again with a few variables changed.<br /><br />Gabriel:<br />The problem here is that the wealth of Europe and the Anglosphere is driven by the Enlightenment and the industrial Revolution, and both of these related phenomena only happened once. You can't do any kind of science with one observation. The only responsible answer to "why did the enlightenment and industrial revolution start in England?" is "I don't know". <br /><br />I don't care what your hypothesis is, you don't have enough data to support it.James Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13030925.post-46942699454644206922009-11-02T16:26:33.410-06:002009-11-02T16:26:33.410-06:00The take-home lesson I read in the tale: Everythin...The take-home lesson I read in the tale: Everything's connected.<br /><br />The reason I don't see it as a tale of white genetic supremacy is that I didn't see any connection between the ideas that civilizations are founded on with whatever genes are used to define "white" people.<br /><br />Of course, it doesn't help that the tale involves bashing a straw critic from a tiny minority, as if it had anything to do with us. Induces a lot of groaning and instills a desire to skip.Bronze Doghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10938257296504189967noreply@blogger.com