Wednesday, January 12, 2011

You Know What's Bullshit?

I think to spite Gabriel, I'll try once again to get back to regular blogging. Since it broke his brain to find out that I don't fit any of the stereotypes seen on his sitcoms, I'm going to list a lot of stuff that I consider nonsense, and thought so for most of my adult life. He'll probably return to whine about my disbelief in some other sacred cow of his. So anyway, here goes the list, subject to updates...

Oh, wait. Fair warning: There's a little bit of mild language below the fold. Not a whole lot.

Acupuncture: Bullshit, but not just any bullshit. It's Maoist bullshit, for that double bullshitty taste.

Alien Spacecraft and Abductions: Why would some shitheads from another planet build causality-defying FTL engines and fly a ship all the way over here to investigate our shitholes?

Area 51: The alien story is bullshit. Probably an old air force testing base that may have turned into an illegal waste dump for the government to throw away its really nasty shit. After some officer goofed by denying the place existed, they used the bullshit alien story to bullshit the Communists into wasting intelligence resources investigating the shithouse. And some of their gullible shitheads probably fell for it.

Atlantis: Bullshit that got flushed down the toilet when no one was looking. In fact, they want you to take their word for it that it was ever there.

The Aurora Stealth Aircraft: Possibly bullshit, possibly a development code name for an existing, publicly known aircraft, or possibly a project that got canceled for being shittier than the other stealth aircraft.

Ayurveda: Bullshit, with a hint of arsenic and mercury.

Bigfoot: Bullshit so steamy, all attempts to photograph it end up coming out fuzzy and indistinct.

Communism: Bullshit that stinks so bad, you'll be made into an unperson by The Party if you point it out.

Creationism: The bullshit belief that nothingness randomly shitted out a perfect, complex, sentient god, who made the universe and somehow did a shitty job on designing our eyes, despite allegedly being perfect.

The Crocoduck: Textbook example of bullshit the Creationists should be looking for if they want to be taken seriously. I'm not holding my breath.

Distant Healing: Bullshit you can smell from miles away.

Dragons: Cool bullshit that's fun to pretend to slay with polyhedral dice, but despite Creationists attempts to argue otherwise, are completely bullshit in reality. Besides, dinosaurs are cooler because they were real. Even without the fire breath. We have the fossils. We win.

Fairies: Bullshit that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle believed in because he didn't think it was possible that some girls could cut out pictures and pose for photographs. Therefore, he bullshitted, the fairies, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Faith: The bullshit belief that you're an infallible god, thus you can't bullshit yourself, therefore you are right. Period.

The Flood: Bullshit story about a family who somehow rounded up all the animals of the world in a boat. When Flood believers were faced with the logistics of handing all the food and shit for so many animals on such a tiny boat, they made up a bullshit Super-Duper Evolution theory (but decided not to call it that because someone might call them on being inconsistent with their other bullshit) where the animals could super-mutate into multiple species overnight and somehow gain enough genetic diversity to make it look like nothing happened at all. Oh, and some bullshit about land plants being able to live underwater, and salt water magically knowing not to mix with fresh water so as to not kill all the fish.

Hitler, Adolph: Anti-Semite bullshitter Creationist who believed God commanded him to perform eugenics and burn books like The Origin of Species for not buying into his bullshit. Had a line about bullshitting so big, no one would believe someone could bullshit so big without evidence... Which turned out to be bullshit. Inspired by Martin Luther, a guy believed reason was evil because it gave people bullshit detectors, and you can't have that. Adolph entertained bullshit fantasies about joining the Catholic and Protestant churches together, trying to put his religious bullshit into school curricula and mandate state-led prayers in class.

Homeopathy: Bullshit that isn't watered down.

Iridology: You won't believe your eyes when you see this bullshit.

The Loch Ness monster: Bullshit that stinks so bad, you could make a profit from building a tourist trap around the spot where someone allegedly smelled it.

Lysenkoism: Bullshit with Joseph Stalin and Sarah Palin's seals of approval, so you know it's quality bullshit.

McCarthy, Joseph: Bullshitting witch hunter who was inspired by Stalin to save America from Stalin by trying and failing to turn America into an authoritarian Christian Communist State. Got publicly called out on his incompetent, illegal authoritarian bullshit and lost all support. Now, Texas is trying to bullshit us into thinking he's a hero.

Nationalism: Bullshit pretending to be patriotism. Nationalists are happy to let their country go down the toilet and still call it the greatest on Earth and throw feces at anyone who dares to suggest the country isn't as great as it used to be. Patriots actually care enough about their country to get their shit together and work to make their country great.

O'Reilly, Bill: Bullshitter who doesn't know what causes the tides. No, I'm not shitting you. He really doesn't.

Psychics: Bullshitters who often don't realize they're bullshitting you with cold reading and similar shit like that. A bunch of real gullible shitheads in America tried training soldiers in their techniques because the Communists fell for this bullshit, and you just know Communist science can't be bullshit.

Race: Quite often a bullshit excuse self-entitled lazy high school dropouts (it doesn't matter what race they are) use to feel better about themselves for not doing anything and blame The Other for their inability to get a job or an education. Also, with hopefully increasing rarity, a bullshit excuse an employer uses to give special privileges to a high school dropout who looks like his phenotype instead of hiring the guy who can actually do a full day's work to actually earn a full day's pay. Doubly bullshit since blood groups are probably a much better indicator of race than skin color.

Reflexology: Bullshit, freshly stepped in.

Reiki: Bullshit that's not touching you! It's not touching you!

Theraputic Touch: Bullshit that rubs on smooth.

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This is easily the most profane post I have ever written. Want to add your own?

35 comments:

MWchase said...

Twoofers: bullshit that was secretly destroyed by the government to get at the gold that's supposed to be in it?

Astrology: some really far-out bullshit.

Psychic phenomena: they've been looking for this bullshit for over a century, and still haven't found anything.

Jack Chick: so shitty, people wonder if it was on purpose.

Charlene Werner: you collect all of the bullshit, and it's mostly empty space, so you can stick it in a bomb the size of a bowling ball, and use that to stop your neighbor's dog from barking.

Dianetics: aliens filled you with bad bullshit, and you need to replace that with good bullshit. That'll be $599 for a half-hour session, first of two dozen.

Anonymous said...

OMENS OF DEATH:

digitaljournal.com/article/302169

allvoices.com/contributed-news/7776949-5000-black-birds-fell-from-sky-due-to-flu


starseedshaman.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/redwing.jpg

the end of atheism - only the blind and deaf can deny it...


an example and warning of the fate of those who try to divide people....

randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1176-serves-em-right.html


At least we're on the same page...

Serves Em Right, eh, Randi....


skepticalcommunity.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29968&p=567498#p567498

Anonymous said...

Diabetes: bullshit to trick the people to by "medicine" from the pharmaceutical companies.

Anonymous said...

by = buy

Seph said...

OMENS OF YOU'RE AN IDIOT

ctrl-c
ctrl-v

Bronze Dog said...

Do you seriously believe that bullshit, DM? Do you have no knowledge about the history of diabetes?

Ryan W. said...

There are a lot of people who treat diabetes with proper diet and exercise alone. Is this a conspiracy by those who sell fresh produce?

Don said...

David Mabus: Bullshit anthropomorphized and crammed into a dorky overcoat.

That's all I got.

Dark Jaguar said...

Yay, now we're denying insulin?

So anyway, I want to add a couple of things to your list there.

Post Modernism should have an entry, as far too many "ultra conservatives" have got this impression that atheists and "left wing liberals" are all post modernists themselves.

In fact, I am trying to give ol' Billy O' the best possible light on his ignorance by interpreting it that way. The full quote was something like "Tide comes in, time goes out, no miscommunication". I honestly am not sure what he meant by "miscommunication" in that statement (he didn't communicate what he meant there :D), but I THINK what he was trying to argue is that some things really are true and not "just anyone's random interpretation", that is, arguing as if he thinks atheists are all post modernists who don't believe there's any absolute reality and that all interpretations are equally valid.

Maybe there's some atheists who do think that way, since after all all "atheist" means is that you don't believe in god, not that you got there by thinking rationally. However it's pretty dang ignorant to think all the atheists speaking publically have that sort of viewpoint, especially the scientists among them. It's not AS ignorant as not knowing what causes the tides or the day/night cycle though.

I don't know for sure that's what he meant, but it's the only thing that makes his "miscommunication" comment make sense, and anecdotally, it fits with the typical arguments a lot of super creationist types tend to use, that is, a lot I've talked to group together atheists, "intellectuals", liberals, post modernists, and the entire city of Hollywood, into one big glob, one singular "them" that's destroying Amero-Christian values.

Liz Ditz said...

Autism is vaccine injury= bullshit, the "therapy" for it that kills and injures children.

Vaccines are bad = bullshit that kills and causes misery not just for children but for adults

Facilitated communication = bullshit that destroys families.

Scientology = bullshit that destroys families, kills people, and spreads blight -- even in the movies.

References supplied upon request.

Anonymous said...

Look, its silly and weak. You post bullshit on your Blog (a blog alive because of one intelligent poster, Me, I resurrected it remember?) and a bunch of wimps agreeing, blindly with whatever you say.

You do not find it... Odd, that the only one not blindly agreeing with you is an "evil troll"? You haven't considered that, perhaps, You are the one that is wrong?

You haven't thought that its strange that all your "friends" blindly agree with you, never any questioning of your beliefs, just blind "Yes Bronze, You are Right Bronze, Hail Bronze"?

No, you probably never questioned it, because it suits you. The truth is that you are wrong, these pathetic morons not only know nothing, they are so weak that they cant even question others, but most likely it is not "their fault", they simple lack the intelligence.


Normally, you should be happy to have a Highly Intelligent person wanting to HELP YOU, perhaps you should LISTEN and LEARN when Gabe is offering his knowledge? No, because you are always right, you need learn nothing.


Think about it like this, you have a young, ignorant arrogant, most likely homosexual boy having a blog few reads (other then seeing another members posts (Gabes) which are the only ones worth reading), Sitting claiming his knowledge Above A:

Highly Intelligent, Well Travelled American educating him/trying to educate him with each post he does.


Perhaps something is wrong with your stance here young man? Besides being American, part of the Most Advanced and Powerful Nation on the Planet, I also visited the rest of the world, shitholes like Mexico or Africa or grey dumps like England or China.

Imagine what you could learn if you wanted. Think about it.

Gabriel

Bronze Dog said...

Gabe, do you seriously think that you're anything more than a joke? Look at the blogs on the right sidebar. Those are all people who have a wide array of agreement with me.

Some are doctors. Some are college professors. Some are just people like me who pay attention to the world around them.

They also routinely have troll just like you who think they're unique and have arguments that we've never heard before.

Face it, Gabe, all you've done here is show how out of touch you are with mainstream science and American culture.

Your whining about my "inconsistency" shows that you don't believe individual thought exists, that there is no alternative to indoctrination.

When you ridiculed the Loch Ness monster, did I bring up how "inconsistent" it is for you to also be a Creationist?

And yet, you have vocal Creationists who seriously believe in Nessy because they think she proves evolution wrong.

Do you believe in Nostradamus, Gabe? Dennis Markuze does, and he's a Creationist, therefore, to be "consistent," so must you.

Of course, I don't really believe that because unlike you, Comrade Gabriel, I believe in capitalism, democracy, and the free market of ideas.

But you wouldn't know anything about that because you "obviously" think the Illuminati Space Lizards have complete control over all the scientists in the world and that the moon landing was a hoax.

Bronze Dog said...

I think it's time to call it. Gabe, out of all the trolls I've dealt with in my adult life, heck, on my little insignificant blog alone: WoMI, Fore Sam/John Best, even Dennis Markuzi, you are the stupidest.

You have to invent mind-bogglingly stupid positions held only by nearly nonexistent minority cults and assign them to me because some sitcom invented ridiculous characters you wished I resembled. (Straw Man fallacy, and a very transparent one.)

You have to dismiss statistical analysis, an entire branch of mathematics and a cornerstone of science to argue your anecdotalism.

You repeatedly flip-flop on nearly every position you've ever expressed.

Countless times, when we asked for simple clarification on your beliefs, you changed the subject, usually to your TV Land fantasies about me.

When we ask for evidence, you tell us stuff we already know, or already expected.

It's like arguing with a wet noodle. You'll just keep flailing back and forth, never putting forth any meaningful effort to understand what we think or how to change it.

And I laugh and laugh because it's funny to watch you flounder.

Chakat Firepaw said...

I've seen worse than Gabe.

There's Bloxy's, who went on a multi-month tear about how he was being censored by the moderator of comp.ai.philosophy. When someone contacted the moderator, it turned out that no message from Bloxy's had even been submitted, (there was a configuration problem at Bloxy's's end). This was in 1999: She/he/it is _still_ posting incoherent rants to news.groups.

Then there was Brandy Alexander: The online porn star that got into an argument with a bot and won by being more stubborn than a mindless computer program.

Bronze Dog said...

...Oh ...kay. I guess Gabe does have some competition, after all.

Bronze Dog said...

You know, I think someday I'll go through Gabriel's old comments and pick out some nice gems of inconsistency and flip-flopping.

Of course, because he always uses the "Anonymous" option instead of getting a free blogspot account that would be forever tied to his comments, he'll probably deny having any part in those old ones, claiming I made them up.

MWchase said...

Use the comment permalink for high-fidelity citation action!

... And if he still bitches, he should get an account anyway, because as is, anyone could have been posting those, and he has no way to prove otherwise unless you've been tracking the IPs of every comment.

(I couldn't impersonate him, though. I don't have the fortitude to replicate his... unique grasp of spelling.)

(Gabe, what is the plural of "that"? Answer as many times as you feel is necessary.)

Anyway, Gabe, none of us are defined by this blog, except maybe you. While I've been away, I wrote a novel and, like I mentioned elsewhere, started coding a computer game. You would not like it, because it is about gay space robots. Still wondering about what I asked in the other thread, though I guess you just haven't been on since I posted.

(Also, I'll pile on in saying that I thought you were supposed to be the Neo-Nazi, what with the anti-semitism and the belief that the world is better without the Jews killed in the Holocaust, and the Christianity, and the hatred of atheists, and the weird veneration of the Vikings in relation to the founding fathers(???)...)

Bronze Dog said...

Dark Jaguar had a comment that got eaten. Posting the text here:

Gabe you've got it all wrong. BD's someone I agree with, and that's why I came to the site, I didn't come to the site to worship him, just to comment on nutty things with like-minded people. There are things we disagree on, though those tend to be interpreting what wacky thing someone was trying to say rather than whether or not it was wacky.

Fact is he's really not that high on the "skeptic totem pole" if you will (no offense BD). He's just one of many folks out there. I've been tempted to make my own log every now and then, though seeing how easy it is to slip into letting it go, I worry I wouldn't be able to keep up enough output to keep the interest of people, so I tend to relegate my comments to other's logs instead.

He didn't post for a while, likely due to real life and a lack of inspiration (nonsense can get redundant at times, it takes something pretty unique to get my attention these days). I also didn't visit for a while, again due to real life concerns.

You however saw fit to keep coming back in spite of the place being inactive for so long. Take credit for "breathing life" into this place if you must, there might even be some truth in it, but it's more than a little sad that your top dog enemy on the net is some random skeptic's low level blog.

All that said, what's far sadder is even now you completely refuse to acknowledge anything we've asked.

Define what you mean by "race" in explicit terms. Explain how some "black people" can be such brilliant scientists. Explain why you think visiting a country for a couple of months (by which you really mean visiting ONE small part of ONE village for a couple of months and then claiming that's representational of the entire country) counts as greater evidence than thousands of studies done world-wide by numerous scientists over the course of decades.

Bronze Dog said...

Anyway, DJ goes partially into a point that you really need to get into your head, Gabe:

It's not how exotic your experiences are, it's how careful and rigorous you are in recording them. If you don't record them or use controls of some sort, you can't determine causation based on personal experience.

In short, Gabe, you were lazy about how you gathered your experiences and jumped to the conclusion that there is a genetic cause. You were too lazy to even consider alternative explanations, much less control for them.

We're criticizing you for being lazy, Gabe. You're no different than all the quacks who ask us to "try it yourself," rather than rely on detailed clinical studies. You expect us to treat laziness as superior to hard, thoughtful work.

Dark Jaguar said...

Basically Gabe, we're not letting you get away with claiming you've got inside knowledge without explaining why you think it's accurate.

MWchase said...

Because he's been places, that's why! Clearly, none of us have ever been to Budapest, or Vienna, or Greece, or Nova Scotia.

Wait, that's all just me, and before I turned 18. Of course, that's all completely irrelevant, because traveling does not make our words truer. That would be a hellish system of logic.

Anonymous said...

1. Your jealousy is quite clear. Suddenly, Gabe who travelled and seen more then any of you could even dream is worth nothing, BUT, some "scientist" saying that the world is billions of years old and that you come from a monkey is true because...

He says so and you.. AGREE with him, but like I said, if Gabe here, who seen and experienced the WORLD, seen the negros in their natural habitat points out these facts, should I include PHOTOS? Naw, they would be "faked" wouldn't they as they do not SUPPORT Bronze or any of the other atheist here.


2. I am here to HELP to EDUCATE and make you LEARN. So yeah, sure, if you want ot call me pathetic and "sad" for wanting to make the world BETTER by TEACHING others and give them facts and knowledge, fine, I am sad indeed.

Gabriel

Bronze Dog said...

Gabe's skull proves resistant to the cluestick:

1. Your jealousy is quite clear. Suddenly, Gabe who travelled and seen more then any of you could even dream is worth nothing, BUT, some "scientist" saying that the world is billions of years old and that you come from a monkey is true because...

Right. Because jealousy alters the fabric of reality. No one gives a shit, Gabe. None of your hippie-drippy postmodernism is going to convince a rational person. Changing the subject is another reason why your arguments fall so limp, Gabe.

As for the scientists, I trust them because they go through all sorts of hard work. They consider multiple possibilities, control against them, and perform reliable predictions that quite often have practical uses. The Random Theory of Randomness (AKA Creationism) has nothing to compare with that.

He says so and you.. AGREE with him, but like I said, if Gabe here, who seen and experienced the WORLD, seen the negros in their natural habitat points out these facts, should I include PHOTOS? Naw, they would be "faked" wouldn't they as they do not SUPPORT Bronze or any of the other atheist here.

Not necessarily photos or video documentation, but genetic tests, and even consideration of alternative explanations for their behavior, and some kind of effort at controlling for them, like excluding observations made when one of those alternatives holds sway.

The fact that you react to your own laziness with venom like this is a sign of desperation, Gabe.

2. I am here to HELP to EDUCATE and make you LEARN. So yeah, sure, if you want ot call me pathetic and "sad" for wanting to make the world BETTER by TEACHING others and give them facts and knowledge, fine, I am sad indeed.

And yet, all you're asking me to do is lower my standards in a manner that maximizes gullibility. So far, all you've done is tell me stuff that I find unsurprising, and when you provided a scientific cite, it pretty much agreed with me across the board, in its results, the limitations of studies on the subject when it's so poorly defined, and the complete lack of practical utility of this racial inferiority concept.

Anonymous said...

Its clear that you will never accept fact and common sense if it does not agree with your ppreconceived ideas, 'old gabe is always wrong because you say so.


You are indeed quite sad Bronze, if you fear reality and facts so much, why do you even go out on the Internet? I mean, it must be SCARY for you having such a large portion of the world showing you that you are wrong and forces you to deny claiming they "are all wrong" and "you are right"... Because you say so.


So far I provided so much Evidence it is silly. United States, the Greatest and Most Powerful Nation the World has ever seen, a Nation people DREAM about coming to and live, a place creating amazing Technologies and even allow criminals and scum such as negros, jews and gypsies because our "white minds" consider them equally worth to us (for some strange reason).

If you been outside our Great Nation, if you would ever afford it (get a job perhaps? Or beg for tax benefits like your kind do?) you would SEE how great our nation is and how our WHITE moral and views have made such an AMAZING society, but you cant, because you been indoctrinated to think that negros and jews are the same (jews destroyes Germany, negros are the ones you are terrified of in at home because ending up close to a GHETTO would most likely kill you etc), you live in a world of contradiction.

One second negros are equal to you (which, i must admit, they probably are as you are clearly a useless and pathetic individual denying God and pro abortion) next second you decide NOT to go through the Ghetto district, or that negro on the street corner with a gun in his hand is... Well, you avoid him for some reason and stay around your "white friends".

Pathetic, but I know, you been indoctrinated, you been forced, perhaps if you did not have bad parents or lived in a nigger liberal shithole, you would have got a good education and learn't about the real world..

Perhaps, in the future, you could travel, even internet might help you, search AFRICA, try cambodia or Congo, wonderful black paradises, just as you say, Negro power.

Truth most likely never come to you, and you will continue saying "I am wrong", coz you say so and you do not agree, so I must be wrong, and you got several Atheist and liberals here that agree with you, SO BAM! Its true, if you say its true, ITS TRUE, isn't it Bronze? Facts and Evidence is irrelevant to your opinion.

Gabe - Spreading Truth, one brick at a Time.

Bronze Dog said...

Gabriel still refuses to entertain logic.

Its clear that you will never accept fact and common sense if it does not agree with your ppreconceived ideas, 'old gabe is always wrong because you say so.

Ever heard of "logical fallacies," Gabe? You know, like the ones I've been pointing out this whole time? It's your stubborn refusal to correct those fallacies that makes you wrong. An argument needs to be free of fallacies to be valid: You need a fallacy-free argument to go from correct premises to correct conclusions.

But don't let me stop you from avoiding those issues.

You are indeed quite sad Bronze, if you fear reality and facts so much, why do you even go out on the Internet? I mean, it must be SCARY for you having such a large portion of the world showing you that you are wrong and forces you to deny claiming they "are all wrong" and "you are right"... Because you say so.

"Scary" facts, like what? You can't name a single one of your facts that's even surprising, much less scary.

Of course, rather than describe these facts, you're going to continue on the obsessive ad hominem fallacies, because you know, the fate of the universe hinges on whether or not an insignificant blogger like me is jealous of a random guy on the Internet.

Get ahold of yourself, man. No one cares what you think about me. Stick to the issues instead of changing the subject so irrelevancies whenever the going gets tough.

So far I provided so much Evidence it is silly. United States, the Greatest and Most Powerful Nation the World has ever seen, a Nation people DREAM about coming to and live, a place creating amazing Technologies and even allow criminals and scum such as negros, jews and gypsies because our "white minds" consider them equally worth to us (for some strange reason).

In other words, the world, a hugely uncontrolled environment. Yeah, hide the validity of your conclusion by maximizing the noise.

I'm asking you to filter that noise, Gabriel, not muddy the waters with it.

If you been outside our Great Nation, if you would ever afford it (get a job perhaps? Or beg for tax benefits like your kind do?) you would SEE how great our nation is and how our WHITE moral and views have made such an AMAZING society, but you cant, because you been indoctrinated to think that negros and jews are the same (jews destroyes Germany, negros are the ones you are terrified of in at home because ending up close to a GHETTO would most likely kill you etc), you live in a world of contradiction.

Right. Keep on going on your ad hominem fallacy fetish. Because the nature of truth depends on whether or not I have personally traveled.

Keep on trying to cover up your laziness with such subject changes.

One second negros are equal to you (which, i must admit, they probably are as you are clearly a useless and pathetic individual denying God and pro abortion) next second you decide NOT to go through the Ghetto district, or that negro on the street corner with a gun in his hand is... Well, you avoid him for some reason and stay around your "white friends".

I avoid all slums, regardless of race, Gabe. Stop making shit up to get your jollies. No one is impressed. We all see the growing desperation behind this ad hom spaz attack: You are desperate to avoid facing how lazy and gullible your epistemology is.

Pathetic, but I know, you been indoctrinated, you been forced, perhaps if you did not have bad parents or lived in a nigger liberal shithole, you would have got a good education and learn't about the real world..

Says the guy who believes in the Random Theory of Randomness and seeks to maximize his gullibility when confronted with the uselessness of sloppily gathered personal experience for confirmatory evidence.

(continued below)

Bronze Dog said...

Gabe continues pumping out straw men because he can't face the real me:

Perhaps, in the future, you could travel, even internet might help you, search AFRICA, try cambodia or Congo, wonderful black paradises, just as you say, Negro power.

When, oh, when did I call them paradises? When did I actually say anything even positive about Africa? Blatantly transparent Straw man fallacy. At least try to make your lies believable.

Truth most likely never come to you, and you will continue saying "I am wrong", coz you say so and you do not agree, so I must be wrong, and you got several Atheist and liberals here that agree with you, SO BAM! Its true, if you say its true, ITS TRUE, isn't it Bronze? Facts and Evidence is irrelevant to your opinion.

You don't even know what constitutes good evidence. We're trying to tell you what constitutes good evidence, and when you are confronted with your laziness and flip-flopping, you launch into yet another spaz attack and put the straw man factory into overdrive.

Try being honest with yourself first, Gabe. You're too busy being indoctrinated by some Wikipedia page about me to actually learn what my real opinions are.

Dark Jaguar said...

Gabe, it's been the same tired circle for nearly 2 years now.

You say you've seen "negroes in their natural habitat" (Meaning? What's a white person's natural habitat, for example?), and this is supposed to "prove" your point, even though all you've seen is places you are expected to see, poor places that need you to set up computers. If they were well to do, you wouldn't be there. It's selection bias at it's finest. It would be as though a used car salesman concluded that the entirety of America was a poor nation because the only people he ever sees are people looking to buy a cheap used car. It would be as though a veterinarian concluded everyone on the planet owns a pet because everyone that comes into that vet's office has one.

We point this out repeatedly.

This thread is NOT just you and us. This is you and the vast body of available scientific evidence, as told to you by us. You seem to be under the delusion that so long as whoever you are arguing with didn't do the studies themselves, that for the purposes of that discussion, those studies don't exist, as though scientific truth is relative to the limited direct experience of any two people talking to each other. What would be the point of society if that were the case? For someone who espouses the "superiority of white society" you really don't seem to understand any of the benefits OF a society.

Will you actually address our criticisms of our logic, or just continue to claim your limited travel time is superior, again NOT just to our admittedly limited travel time, but to the much WIDER and much more focused and accurate world-wide studies of countless scientists?

That's the lesson you must have drilled into your head. You aren't arguing with us. You're arguing with thousands of scientists world-wide who've seen far more than you have, and controlled for it.

Bronze Dog said...

What's funny is that when he referenced a study that tried to control against environmental, social, and economic factors, it came to largely agree with me.

So now, Gabe is backpedaling into including all human history as the experiment, maximizing the number of alternative causes instead of narrowing it down to genetics.

And he tries to pretend that nothing else ever contributes to a person's or a civilization's benefits. It's all down to genetics because he says so. Genetics gives people to pull tracts of rich farmland, food staples, and trade routes out of one's ass.

Bronze Dog said...

Pleh. Typo city. Oh well, the point should be clear, anyway.

Chakat Firepaw said...

Gabe: Once again I ask you to define "white".

Although you have given us more of a definition by exclusion, as you do not count Jews or Roma to go along with not counting Iberians[1].

How about we try for some inclusions: What about the Franks and Germans, (the people, not the nation-state)?

[1] Of course, those exclusions simply prove that you are not using a genetic basis for your definition. The Roma and the various Jewish populations both have pretty much the same genetics as the surrounding peoples.

Anonymous said...

OMFGAWD

"Gabe - Spreading Truth, one brick at a Time."

Every brick personally sphincter pinched by Gabe blowing his own horn

or something

gmcevoy

Kold_Kadavr_flatliner said...

God blessa youse -Fr. Sarducci, ol SNL

MWchase said...

*Inspects a few of Kold Kadavr Flatliner's blogs*

Sir, what are you on?

Manuel Royal said...

Can I add one?

Objectivism: Bullshit. You could write books explaining in detail why it's bullshit, but in simple terms, it's based on a fantasy version of sociology and economics. Until recently, I thought it was irrelevant, almost forgotten bullshit, but it's come back strong among Republicans like Paul Ryan and Rand Paul. (And of course former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan.)

Bronze Dog said...

Definitely a worthy addition. A bit of crank magnetism comes in the form of alties who tend to spout some Objectivist canards about the market sorting out useful treatments without any need for scientific tests.