Thursday, November 05, 2009

Conspiracy Theories and Logistics

There's a quote in military that I think applies to just about any large-scale goal. It usually goes something like this:
"Amateurs study tactics, veterans study strategy, but masters study logistics."
That's probably why I'm almost always a Worker when I play Fat Princess.

But onto how this relates to conspiracy theories, and something I hope Debra will think about:

Usually, when I hear a conspiracy theory, I try to ask what I consider to be important questions that can be summarized as this: How did they get the resources, and how did they get them to where they needed to be?

If the conspiracy posits some unknown technology, they tend to run into trouble on how science works: The days when a lone scientist could make large breakthroughs is pretty much gone. There's little reason to believe that the government could hire only a handful of scientists and make something the rest of the world working together couldn't. The reason for this is we've gotten some very good broad strokes of how the universe works. The new technology-enabling discoveries we have to work on involve very large undertakings: Huge machines to smash particles together, large clinical trials on drugs to see if they actually have an effect, and so on. Science is a team sport, and whenever you increase the number of people involved, the harder it is to keep it secret.

In other cases, many conspiracy theories posit a government that is perfectly efficient, which is no better than invoking magic as an explanation. There's no reason to believe that the people working for the government or the conspiratorial faction are superhuman: They can make mistakes. They can have their own agendas. Ideally, governments are designed to prevent anyone from having undue influence because of various checks and balances. In reality, this often makes everything the government can do inefficient or incompetent.

The difficulty of any conspiracy increases with the level of secrecy involved: There's always someone who can grow suspicious if resources go missing. Many bureaucrats exist to keep an eye on money supplies and others to keep an eye on the ones keeping an eye on the money. For military supplies, especially nowadays with added fear of terrorism, you'd think someone would notice if a shipment of explosives went missing.

And finally, any large endeavor requires manpower. Every new person added to the conspiracy is a potential security risk. The more people you add, the more likely someone might grow a conscience or a brain and blow the whole thing wide open. Not only that, each new person, even if you could somehow guarantee their loyalty, adds to the number of people who could make a mistake or let something slip out.

64 comments:

Rick said...

I just happened to be watching something the points out how small a conspiracy can be, and still end up leaking:

The Gunpowder Plot was leaked when a sixth man was brought in because more money was needed.

James K said...

Conspiracy theories also require implausible levels of coordination, especially since the communication must be kept secret.

I work for a government, and I have a hard time finding out what people 2 desks away are doing, or precisely what my manager once removed want me to do. The idea that some shadowy group could operate within a government and secretly control the world is ludicrous for anyone who actually worked for one.

MWchase said...

Unless they're trying to lull everyone into a false sense of security. Because really, is there any idea more comforting than the suspicion that the institutions we trust our livelihoods with are, in aggregate, some terrifying combination of incompetent and schizophrenic?

James K said...

MWChase:
I can tell you from personal experience, its not an act. If you find that fact disturbing, have no fear. It's merely an indication that you are still sane.

debra said...

They are not theories anymore..
This is world domination people. It is in everything, everything. And they do share one sole agenda, the worship of their god Satan and setting up his throne .But to do that you have to eliminate a helluva lot of people. I mean really, look at how many of us there are, and so few of them.
Eliminate the weak and poor, eliminate the ones that refuse to follow, and keep the rest for slaves.
But really... if you are not awake and/or a Christian saved by the blood of Jesus Christ... it's probably too late to prepare your mind for what is happening and about to happen.
YouTube SACRAMAINIACS mc Channel. He was an atheist for a long time, but not anymore.

Bronze Dog said...

Debra: They are not theories anymore..

A very important note: As skeptics, we don't use the colloquial definition of "theory" as an unproven guess. In science, a theory is a model that explains a collection of facts and can be used to make predictions.

For example, we have a collection of observations: If you let go of an object, it will move to the ground. This happened every time so far. We also see various objects being pulled by more massive objects. The theory of gravity was created to explain this attraction, and it is used to predict how objects will be affected: You know in advance something will fall if you let go of it.

He was an atheist for a long time, but not anymore.

This is a claim many of us are very familiar with. Usually, most of these alleged "ex-atheists" I know about don't know anything about how people like me think about the topic, which often leads us to wonder if it's a case of pious fraud.

debra said...

Your elocution is not going to help you in the coming shit storm.
One look at Sacramaniac and you know that he is no pious fraud. He has been humbled before God.

Jacqueline said...

"One look at Sacramaniac and you know that he is no pious fraud. He has been humbled before God."

Let him come over to my house and I'll give this God fella a good kicking with my sceptic boots.


JS:)

Dweller in Darkness said...

So, debra, what flavour Satanic conspiracy is your favourite? Are we talking the one that has the Pope as being directly involved in Mephistophelian or the one where Nicolae Carpathia is for real or some other variety? I lose track after a while.

MWchase said...

It can't be a flavor that would give us down here on the ground any practical benefits. Believe me, I've tried unlocking demonic powers, and I haven't found anything. Debra, you seem to know more about this than I do, so if you have any tips, I'd really appreciate it.

Dweller in Darkness said...

Sorry, I collect religious conspiracy theories and wingnuttery the way old women collect ceramic figurines. Being of a somewhat religious bent myself, it's easy for me to see it as a casual hobby as it tends to land right on my doorstep, as when my son's friends tell him he's "empowering Satan" by going out on Halloween.

MWchase said...

So, he should make sure that Satan has no power over him... by cowering inside the house on a day supposedly set aside for Satan somehow?

Dweller in Darkness said...

Yeah, pretty much the point I made. I mean, that seems like the perfect day to intentional dress up like the Devil. As it was, he was a dragon. Not "that old dragon," but, still evil.

debra said...

I handed out candy. I don't know why I did it this year. Just seemed so traditional.
A mother of two small children came by, the toddler was dressed up like a traditional red devil. His older sister who looked about 5 years old said to me... "my mother superglued the horns on his head".

Dark Jaguar said...

That seems unlikely. Kids get the wrong idea sometimes. If the mother did do that, and they had to go to a doctor, there'd be child abuse charges. The world isn't satan worshipping, as the ratings on Fox News should tell you.

debra said...

Uhhh... yeah, most people know that.
You say that this is unlikely? I read today that a man drove around the country for 18 months with his murdered two month old. And this wasn't the first child of his that he killed.

Dark Jaguar said...

Yep, it's still unlikely. Did you follow up on this super gluing? Or did you just take some kid's word for it going door to door? Did you even take 5 seconds to ask the mother about it since she was right there, or are you the sort who gets self righteous about the evil in the world but when at last presented with an opportunity to DO something about it, you just let it go?

Oh, and for the record, whatever news story it was, there's a noted difference between the odds that somewhere in the world right now someone is doing something terrible to their kid and the odds that that same person is going to show up right at your door step. Just keep in mind that these people, evil as they are, are in the vast minority and do not reflect society at large.

DwellerinDarkness said...

And, ultimately, who's the morally culpable: the person who claims to have receive perfect morality and does not act on it - I'm assuming you didn't call the cops - or the person whose ethical code says that it's acceptable behaviour to glue things onto a child?

Of course, there's the possibility that you just told that as a sort of amusing story about What Those Darned Kids Say These Days, in which case a disclaimer would be nice.

debra said...

Bronze Dog-
DrDissent on YT is looking for an atheist for a video response to his "Wake Up Sheep" vid. He is looking for "a hardcore atheist, a rational, clinical, atheist". So... i thought of you BD.
DrDissent is... well.. he's pretty cool. Also an ex Marine.
His latest... United States of Morons... outstanding.

Akusai said...

Oh, an ex-Marine! That means there's about a 90% chance he's completely insane! What a credible source!

debra said...

i think that most of you will like him. We do.

Jacqueline said...

I've just finished watching a documentary on race and intelligence on channel 4 in the UK.
Its here on the net:


http://www.channel4.com
/programmes
/race-and-intelligence
-sciences-last-taboo

Gabe, pay close attention to the molecular biologists, and what they have to say on the subject of "race".

Tom Foss said...

Debra: They are not theories anymore..
This is world domination people. It is in everything, everything. And they do share one sole agenda, the worship of their god Satan and setting up his throne .But to do that you have to eliminate a helluva lot of people. I mean really, look at how many of us there are, and so few of them.
Eliminate the weak and poor, eliminate the ones that refuse to follow, and keep the rest for slaves.
But really... if you are not awake and/or a Christian saved by the blood of Jesus Christ... it's probably too late to prepare your mind for what is happening and about to happen.


Debra, here's an incomplete list of things that your newest conspiracy theory requires me to believe:
1. God exists.
2. That God is the Christian God.
3. Jesus existed.
4. Jesus was divine.
5. The Devil exists.
6. Sin is real.
7. Jesus died and was resurrected as a payment for sin.
8. The Devil has power and some kind of plan in the world.
9. The omnipotent, omnibenevolent Christian God allows the Devil's evil machinations to occur.
10. There is some sort of end-times scenario where God will win over the Devil, after major destruction to the world.
11. There is a cabal of powerful people who, knowing that the Devil is evil, that God exists and is more powerful, and that the Devil will inevitably lose, choose to worship the Devil anyway.
12. This cabal works together, completely behind the scenes, to set up the Devil as the ruler of the world, still knowing that such a plan is doomed to failure.
13. This cabal is totally okay with their plan to kill and enslave vast majorities of their fellow people.
14. You and some YouTubers are better able to discover this secret reality than anyone else, and are not just massively deluded--even though you have demonstrated your lack of credibility and critical thinking skills by, for instance, uncritically accepting a humor video from The Onion as an example of government corruption and accepting a small child's word that her brother's Halloween costume included severe child abuse (or at least seriously ignorant neglect).

I have seen no evidence for any of these fourteen points. Do you have any?

Incidentally, I had a costume a few years ago that included long claw-like nails. The stick-on tape wasn't very good, so instead I used a hot glue gun. That was...unpleasant. It didn't do any real damage (though if it had been on exposed skin rather than fingernails, it might have), but it was very warm.

In any case, which is more likely, Debra: that this young girl was absolutely correct in her assessment and her mother was either ignorant or flagrantly abusive, or that the mother used some milder adhesive or super-glued the horns to a headband or made a joke (or threat) about having to super-glue the horns on, and the girl misunderstood? Which are more common: abusive parents, or childhood misunderstandings?

Until you understand that "X is likely" and "I saw X on the news" are not compatible, until you demonstrate some degree of critical thought, and until you provide some evidence, no one has any reason to believe anything you say.

By the way, Debra, did you ever find a new psychiatrist?

debra said...

Tom-
Thinking back to Halloween, I believe that the mother did use super glue, but not out of an abusive act but from ignorance and the desire to have a great costume. I on the other hand, would have just given up on the horns if the self adhesive did not work well. His horns were stuck on very well.
It's obvious that I didn't call the police cause I would have mentioned it. I thought about it when I shut the door, and I opened the door to see where they were going, but I didn't see them. I still thought about calling the police but... what could I say... there's a mother of two small children trick or treating and the small boy is dress as a red devil.....find them.
I don't really know what I can say about your other questions. Obviously only a very small group of total strangers can see out of the Matrix that we call living.
And no, I don't have a new Doctor. I saw one though, didn't like him, I could tell that he and I would not get on. He is very successful and has a lot of clients, he's South African who still refers to blacks as negros. He was critical of me and what I was telling him. He said" I bet I could convince you that I can see God in those clouds outside". I said to him," well if it was God, you wouldn't have to convince me or anyone else, and be careful if you think you are seeing God or anything else in the sky because it could be MKUltra".
I have a new friend on YT who was an Atheist until a few months ago. I asked him what I could possibly said to y'all that would have some kind of impact. He said that "if God wants you to see then you will".

James K said...

debra:
Superglue would be a terrible adhesive for attaching horns (presumably rubber or plastic) to the human scalp. You'd need a large quantity of it and you'd have to hold the kid quite still while you pressed the horn against their head for 30 seconds or so. Plus it leaves a distinctive "frosting" around the area that the glue is applied.

He said that "if God wants you to see then you will".

So let em get this straight: God hides from a fraction of people and then condemns them to eternal torment when they don't believe? If I believed this I would be forced to conclude that God was the greatest evil in existence.

And conversion stories don't impress me. Rationalism implies atheism, but not all atheists are rationalists. An atheist can be as vulnerable to the normal range of cognitive traps and cognitive biases as everyone else. This is especially true if they were raised an atheist.

debra said...

No, God does not hide from people. it it is you (pl.) that hide from God.

Dweller in Darkness said...

Ah, the doctrine of predestination. Is there any schism you can't cause?

God "called you out before the beginning of the world," but then you read James and you see that faith, like doing good, is a choice we make and you can't wrap your head around the cognitive dissonance. Not surprising you've fallen into conspiracy theories, then. You're so accustomed to cross-channel noise that it's a comfort, like the way my grandfather used to turn his channel to an empty station and fall peacefully asleep to the sound of static and the blur of random motion.

Say it with me, debra: "I don't know." It's the most empowering phrase a human can utter, really, because without it we can never learn. Just say, "I don't know." It's all right.

Anonymous said...

We hide from god??

So that part of the bible when he couldn't find Adam in the garden of Eden was true then? God really is so very not omnipotent that he can't find people?

MWchase said...

Come on, unsigned annony. Clearly, he had his omniscience turned off so he wouldn't have any of life's mysteries ruined for him.

Dunc said...

No, God does not hide from people. it it is you (pl.) that hide from God.

I'm assured that it's all part of His plan. He moves in mysterious ways, dontchaknow, and it is not our place to second-guess His motives. He made me an atheist, so I must assume that it's all for the best.

Or do you think you know better than He does?

debra said...

Dunc-
How did God make you an Atheist?

Jacqueline said...

debra wrote:

"if God wants you to see then you will".

Which god? There are so many of them, how do you know which one is the real one?

debra said...

Jacquline-
This is not a game for me. I am not on this blog to hear or to leave a cleverly constructed response.

Dark Jaguar said...

Wow... that was... overt.

When someone so clearly states they don't care about listening or giving cleverly constructed responses, well there's nothing left for it is there? How do you respond to that? How do you make it clear that maybe those are actually important things?

Jacqueline said...

debra said...
"Jacquline-
This is not a game for me. I am not on this blog to hear or to leave a cleverly constructed response."


Its Jacqueline, Debra. If you aren't here to hear or listen to a clever response perhaps a stupid one will do then?
I wonder if being in any way intellectual and believing in a deity are mutually exclusive?
It seems a perfectly straightforward question,how do you know who the real deity is?
If you can't answer it then you have a big problem. Your "God" may well be the Devil, or worse Nyarlathotep. If you don't apply critical thinking to the matter you may be making a huge mistake. Does your ex atheist know how to tell the real McCoy when it comes to deities? Will you ask him for me?
JS;)

Dunc said...

I see debra is suffering from an irony deficiency...

debra said...
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Gabriel said...

I see you attack and insult 'debra' now, I guess she does not hold the same views as you and thereof being wrong (it does not really matter what it is, if it questions your dogmas its wrong).

Rick, I suspect I am the only American here knowing what you are talking about, I can assure you that Bronze Dog (before he Wikipedia it now) have no idea what you mean by Gundpower Plot, but your point is quite clear.

Regarding conspiracies and such I guess it culd be used to show how easy a conspiracy is broken. Alas, If I remember correctly (for you other readers the Gundpowder Plot was an attempt to blow up the British Parliament with most of the protestants and the King in it as well as some other things, I think it also included kidnapping the children of the royal family) it was Catesby who 'leaked' the information by trusting someone who he could not trust, cant recall the name, but anyways he then (the other man) spoke to others and so it went.

I guess that is how 'debra' obtained the information she got.


It is a sad day today, my neighbour (in Peru) got killed (the day after yesterday), he left one wife and two children after his demise. Funny enough, I think the way he died is suitable to recall to you as debra also promotes a better living and better morals which you do not want anything to do with (same with me, you do not want to help and make the world better for some reason):

He got kidnapped after he wanted to HELP a friend who was having problems with a gang, I do not know the details of that, but it turned out they did not take to it to well and the gang kidnapped him, beat him up and held him (no reason given) making it clear they would execute him.

He asked if he could call his wife and children (2 and 3) to say godbye, they allowed him (which I respect), he told his wife he that he loved her and that he would die, they they executed him (shot him in the head).

For some reason I have a hard time seeing you guys do that, I would see you beg for your lives like children, you can not accept the real world, you fear it. He accepted it and took it like a man, told his family he loved them and said goodbye. A real man Brone Dog, a real man.

Jacqueline said...

Gerbil squeeked:

"..Gundpowder Plot.."

For your information moron, it's gun powder.

"For some reason I have a hard time seeing you guys do that, I would see you beg for your lives like children, you can not accept the real world"


For some reason I have a hard time seeing you do much but whine like a spoilt child. As for accepting the real world, black freemasonic plot to give gabe AIDS? How real is that?



"... you fear it."

There you go with your ad hominems again. I fear the world so much that I spent a great deal of time abroad. But you're too scared to admit that, as your baseless imagined advantage evaporates when you do.


"He accepted it and took it like a man.."

What, like up the arse?



"..told his family he loved them and said goodbye. A real man Brone Dog, a real man."

Sounds more like a real idiot. No wonder he was a friend of yours.

Jacqueline said...

Racially pure ubermensch bawled:
"I see you attack and insult 'debra' now, I guess she does not hold the same views as you and thereof being wrong (it does not really matter what it is, if it questions your dogmas its wrong)."

Debra thinks that satirical videos from The Onion are real. She deleted all her naive posts, in a fit of pique, the last time she was here when Tom Foss, and others, pointed out her lack of critical thought. It isn't a question of views, more of Debra unquestioningly accepting any conspiracy monger's video she sees and then expecting everyone else to be as uncritical as her.
As for dogma, gerbil, you're the one reading Mein Dummheit and swallowing Hitler's lies hook, line, and sinker. You display the same unquestioning acceptance of crap that Debra does.
You're pathetic gerbil. You RUN AWAY from Bronze Dog's questions and like a coward and then try to pass yourself off as some racially pure superbeing.

JS:)

MWchase said...

I thought Debra got her information by noticing black cars with tinted windows in her vicinity, and looking for stuff on YouTube. Stuff like videos from the Onion News Network.

MWchase said...

Sorry for retreading your points, Jacqueline. I hit 'add comment' and didn't notice that you posted between when I finished reading and when I clicked the comment link.

I wonder if we could have a thread devoted to all of the challenges that Gabe is ignoring or blowing off. He hasn't even tried to explain how, in his worldview, it's possible for Germans to understand the internal combustion engine, nor has he given a shallow explanation for why that supposedly has nothing to do with his views.

Bronze Dog said...

That would make for one very long post.

Though it would be funny to bring up that alien/human analogy to the white/asian scenario he kept changing whenever our answers got inconvenient for him.

Gabriel said...

For your information moron, it's gun powder.

Yes, I am a real moron, sorry.

For some reason I have a hard time seeing you do much but whine like a spoilt child. As for accepting the real world, black freemasonic plot to give gabe AIDS? How real is that?

You pathetic fucking moron, Gabe is a name and spelled with a CAPITAL, you retarded cretin....

Or you could ignore when someone accidentally spells a word incorrectly, else I will do the same to you, over and over and over again, which is rather pointless and pathetic as it shows you have nothing to contribute.

Sounds more like a real idiot. No wonder he was a friend of yours.

You hapless imbecile, he was my neighbour not friend. Maybe you should learn to read you idiotic fuc..... Oh, sorry, I remember what first comment attacking me for spelling a word wrong, I guess I started to become like you instead of addressing the point you where making, Sorry about that.

Moron.

Bronze Dog said...

And Gabe goes after the low-hanging insults instead of anything worth talking about.

Gabriel said...

Thank you Bronze Dog, it is nice to see that you are looking at your members/visitors with such clear and open eyes, lets see what your buddy said me in his previous post:

Sounds more like a real idiot. No wonder he was a friend of yours.

1. Indirect/direct insult, I have an 'idiotic friend' there I am 'idiotic'. (He was not my friend for the second time by the way).

For your information moron, it's gun powder.

2. Direct Insult.

Gerbil squeeked

3. Initial 'greeting'. A nice way to be mature and show respect to their fellow man.


This Bronze Dog was only one of Jacqueline's posts. You said nothing about him/hers insulting comments towards me, it seems that if someone agrees with you/are on your side, it is okay to scorn and insult, whiles if you are on the other side of the fence it is bad. For the record, my own insults was an aggressive attempt to show him/her what he/she did towards me for no reason (I spelled a word wrong, insult, she/he spelled a word wrong, insult). Completely baseless.

But I am sorry, I am the 'Bad Guy', right, its all okay for them. Just like the Creationist do it.

Bronze Dog said...

You'll notice that I haven't been commenting about your insults much, except when they're used as the basis for an ad hominem logical fallacy. I usually stick to pointing out those fallacies.

Of course, it's quite easy for you to change the subject to things like that, instead of presenting meaningful data.

Gabriel said...

And it is clearly hard for you to tell your other members to be respectful and attack the one that does not agree with you.

That would atleast show that you where a real man, an adult as your father might say. But then you might 'lose' your 'friends' I guess, fear keeps you in check I guess. Not one comment on J's insults, clearly you agree with it, people 'outside' of the Bronze sphere are assipes and completely okay to insults, anyone else is 'protected' by the sphere of Bronze.

Thats just sad.

Bronze Dog said...

Gabe: And it is clearly hard for you to tell your other members to be respectful and attack the one that does not agree with you.

Gee, should I sic the PC police on them? It's kind of pointless to ask them to do it, just like it's pretty much pointless to ask you to do it.

That's why I just tune all of it out and focus on the logic involved. If you think I'm somehow being hard on you, it's because you're the one with the burden of proof: My readers can't exactly advance a lack of belief by presenting data, so when they don't have anything to deconstruct, I don't see any reason to discourage them from amusing themselves.

That would atleast show that you where a real man, an adult as your father might say. But then you might 'lose' your 'friends' I guess, fear keeps you in check I guess. Not one comment on J's insults, clearly you agree with it, people 'outside' of the Bronze sphere are assipes and completely okay to insults, anyone else is 'protected' by the sphere of Bronze.

No, they're protected by a loose comment policy designed to give trolls a wide berth. I let people say what they want because it deflates their ability to cry persecution instead of making their point.

Of course, I have to point out that's what you're doing here. You can't talk about data, so you change the subject to whining about the lack of PC police.

Thats just sad.

Projection, again. You're too immature to just brush off the insults and press on. In fact, you welcome them because they're an easy distraction from the key issues.

Dweller in Darkness said...

*raises hand* Theist with a degree in English in a room full of atheists who adhere strictly to the scientific method.

I think I'm fairly disagreeable to most of the people here. I've been asked some pointed questions and expect to be asked more so long as I'm around here, but the questions have been reasoned and intelligent and I've responded in kind. Had a pretty good dialogue going.

So, no, they don't attack everyone who disagrees with them. Just the ones whose views violently disagree with the world around them and exacerbate the situation by refusing to answer direct questions.

djfav said...

"And it is clearly hard for you to tell your other members to be respectful and attack the one that does not agree with you."

Gabe, do you remember your first comment here?

You can take your demands for respect and shove them right up your ass, fucking troll.

Jacqueline said...

djfav said:
"Gabe, do you remember your first comment here?
You can take your demands for respect and shove them right up your ass, fucking troll."

When are we going to get married djfav?


Gerbil squeeled:
"Yes, I am a real moron, sorry."


Finally a correct factual statement, backed up by mountains of evidence from gabe. Note here, gabe, that it wasn't a mistake that I didn't grace you with a capital letter for your name. Untermensch don't deserve such a courtesy.


"I guess I started to become like you instead of addressing the point you where making.."



No, if you were like me you'd GET TO THE FUCKING POINT instead of showing such feigheit and running away from BD's pertinent questions.


"... Sorry about that."

I've got you trained well untermensch. At least now you give me the deference that I deserve as someone superior to the amoeba brained Nazi arselicker that you are.


JS:)

djfav said...

"When are we going to get married djfav?"

*blush*

Dark Jaguar said...

Gabe, one small question. Do you actually believe the claims of Debra? Do you believe there's some super-satanic organization out there trying to destroy all that is good? I thought your thing was that the world was going bad due to "bad racial impurity".

If you don't buy for a second what she's saying, why are you defending her exactly?

Tom Foss said...

Oh sweet FSM, debra and Gabe in the same thread. If WoMI shows up, the blog might collapse in a singularity of ignorance.

Debra, was I hiding from God when I was asking for him to give me some kind of sign that he existed? Other people get those signs, and yet, not me. As you say, if he exists, then he must choose whether or not to show himself to people. And if the people who haven't been shown that he exists don't believe, then he casts them into Hell. So it sounds like your God is just as evil as Lucifer, if not moreso. At least the Devil is up-front with his evil; your God puts on this loving face and gives you the "I died for you" guilt trip, all the while playing favorites and revealing himself to some while damning others, all for using the intelligence that he supposedly gave them.

Quite frankly, I'm glad that he doesn't exist. I wouldn't want to live in a universe run by such a sadistic monster.

Jacqueline said...

"If you aren't here to hear or listen to a clever response.."

Ungh! I should have written .".hear or leave a clever response..." I need more coffee in a morning!


JS:)

Rick said...

Time to ask again:

Gabe, exactly who do you mean when you say white?

To bias things to avoid rather than ignore, I'll post why I think you have been refusing to answer this simple question:

You want to be able to flip back and forth between crediting everything to the Germanic, Frankish and Scandinavian peoples and claiming the works of the Classical period and the works of the Italian Renaissance as white accomplishments.

Jacqueline said...

Quivering gerbil squeeked...
"And it is clearly hard for you to tell your other members to be respectful and attack the one that does not agree with you."

gabe just doesn't get it. His Nazi wankfantasy spectacles give him the impression that Bronze is some kind of fuhrer,that has a duty to protect bloviating Nazi sympathisers on his blog.

"That would at least show that you where a real man.."

Says the "real man" that runs away from questions, and whines to Bronze when his Nazi bullshit gets some well deserved scorn.


"..an adult as your father might say. But then you might 'lose' your 'friends' I guess..."


You're no shining paragon of maturity yourself, gabe. Bronze, not being a lazy authoritarian Nazi loser, like you, means that he'll always have friends.

".. fear keeps you in check I guess."

Now you're being manipulative, trying to goad Bronze into protecting your sorry ass. Whining to our host like a spoilt child isn't what a "real man" would do, is it?.
You also seem to think that Bronze is some wimpy nerd that will react if you imply that he isn't as muscular as an Arnold Schwarzenegger character.


"Not one comment on J's insults, clearly you agree with it.."

Translation: WAAAAH!! STOP THIS WOMAN INSULTING ME!!! Hardly the actions of a mature "real man".


"..people 'outside' of the Bronze sphere are assipes and completely okay to insults.."

You've got that wrong. Anyone writing uncritical crap and pompously spouting hot air, like you do gerbil, deserves to be mocked.

" ..anyone else is 'protected' by the sphere of Bronze."


I don't need Bronze's protection from the likes of you, gabe. In UK parlance you " couldn't run a piss up in a brewery."

"Thats just sad."

I think that uncritically adhering to some dead Nazi loser's boring rantings, like they're some divine revelation is the epitome of sadness.
Are you ready to explain to us what this magical power is that makes you an ubermensch, or will you keep running away?

JS:)

Dunc said...

So, Gabe characterises us all as basement-dwelling internet troglodytes, describes a fairly large proportion of the human race as sub-human animals, fantasizes about us begging for our lives in the face of a brutal and senseless death, and then has the temerity to complain that we're not showing him sufficient respect? Well, that's another irony meter blown...

Gabriel said...

Sorry JS, I switched to your way of confronting posts so I missed the entire thing, you did not spell my name with a capital.

Come back to me when you spell it correctly, okay. :)

Gabe

Bronze Dog said...

To put another reason I don't want to say anything about insults with Gabe involve: It's a subject change, and Gabriel adores changing the subject.

So, is race genetic?

If so, do you retract all your earlier statements about the idea of it being "diluted"?

MWchase said...

Wait... no capitalization is bad, but you'll skip over every other variation she's done?

There's something... rather odd about that.

And seconding Bronze Dog. Either race is controlled by genes, in which case there's a wide variety of scientific literature to consult, or it's not, in which case Gabe would be the logical authority to consult. That all that literature, backed up by the scientific method, is wrong, is an extraordinary claim that Gabe, or anyone he can bring in, must support to have the barest chance of being taken seriously.

Jacqueline said...

Untermensch gabe pouted pettishly:

"Sorry JS.."

Keep apologising for your sorry existence. It makes me laugh.

"I switched to my way of confronting posts, by running away like a coward..."

How honest of you to admit that. There is hope for you yet, gabe.


"..so I missed the entire thing, you did not spell my name with a capital."

So you missed the ENTIRE thing and yet you saw that I'd not used a capital. That demonstrates your complete lack of logic, or honesty.

"Come back to me when you spell it correctly, okay. :("


I don't take orders from lazy racists.
Have you got the guts to answer any of the questions BD, and others have put to you yet?
Or are you going to whine to Bronze about how the naughty girlie is saying bad things about you?

JS:)

Jacqueline said...

MWchase said...
"Wait... no capitalization is bad"

What can I say? I'm a bad girl.

"..but you'll skip over every other variation she's done?"

Please MW, don't encourage him. Our resident troll needs to answer some tough questions if he really wants to show us why he is magically superior to most of the human race.

JS;)