Tuesday, October 18, 2005

The Bibble - Inerrant, DAMMIT!

At least according to Xian blogger David Heddle . Says Heddle:

I find it very interesting, this insistence of atheist evolutionists that an inerrant bible is incompatible with science.

He follows up with a great quote from science blogger
PZ Myers:

A religion that declares the bible inerrant is not compatible with science, because its followers would have to be idiots.

Apparently David and his Christer buddies have a problem with this. But in true apologist form, they do not take on Professor Myers' statement. No, they simply whine about "atheist bigots" calling them idiots. David, following the Xian apologist textbook, takes this opportunity to express the controversy!

...see religion has nothing to fear from science—these scientists and devout Christians see no conflict whatsoever.

However, it is a strategy they just can’t make themselves follow. Why? I can only assume that it is because their hatred for Christianity far outweighs the possible political advantage. Someone like Myers could never say: “What are you worried about? Professor X believes in the compatibility of an inerrant bible and science. Science is not your enemy.” No, to someone like Myers religion must be the enemy. It just has to be. No alliances permitted. He loves being an enemy of religion.


So, according to Heddle, the only reason we atheists feel the bibble contradicts science is because of our hatred for Christianity.

Stop right there David! I'm not a fan of apologetics. I like evidence and science. Here's just a few examples where the bibble and fact collide like a fat kid and a cupcake:

1. Which
genealogy of Jebus should we believe - Mark or Luke?

2. What were the true
last words of Jebus?

3. Since when do animals in the family leporidae chew their cud? (Lev. 11:5-6)

4. Pi must be
3, according to the good book. (I Kings 7:23)

Need I produce more? That's why we feel any religion that calls the bibble "inerrant" would require idiots to follow it.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey, hasn't the bible Evolved through the years? I mean I can make a flawless digital copy of a CD, or even the bible on CDROM, and each copy of a copy will be an exact duplicate even if it's handed down for as few thousand years and each generation makes a few copies. Even the king (Elvis)or Prince (the artist formerly known as and back again) can't press a new studio master as he sees fit. Why is the bible evolving?

BronzeDog said...

Ned Flanders: "And tonight's game is Bible Trivia!"
Rod and Tod Flanders: "Yaaaaay!"
Ned: "Which version will it be?"

David Heddle said...

At least try a challenge that is not stupid. I mean, people have been asking those questions for two thousand years, and you present them as if your deep research has revealed them as insoluble difficulties. Do you expect Tertullian, or Augustine, or Aquinas, or Luther, or Calvin, or Jonathan Edwards, were they alive to respond "the genealogies differ! Brother, I never noticed! How could I be so blind! There is no explanation for that! I recant! Rockstar, you da man?"

Likewise for your other objections. Try to be a bit original. There are some really difficult “contradictions.” Do some research and find them. Otherwise you look as stupid as someone going to Myer's blog or Panda's Thumb and thinking they can stop everyone in their tracks by asking "what good is half an eye?"

Rockstar Ryan said...

At least try a challenge that is not stupid. I mean, people have been asking those questions for two thousand years, and you present them as if your deep research has revealed them as insoluble difficulties.

Argument from Ignorance
Argument from Age

Deep research? Took me about 5 seconds to find these ridiculous contradictions in your silly bibble. YOU stated the bibble was inerrant. It's not, I proved that. Easily.

Do you expect Tertullian, or Augustine, or Aquinas, or Luther, or Calvin, or Jonathan Edwards, were they alive to respond "the genealogies differ! Brother, I never noticed! How could I be so blind! There is no explanation for that! I recant! Rockstar, you da man?"

Argument from Authority

So famous Xians knew there were contradictions. That means they're no longer there?? You're being intellectually dishonest, David.

Likewise for your other objections. Try to be a bit original. There are some really difficult “contradictions.”

Sooo, you admit that the bibble has mistakes. But it's still inerrant!? David, you are the one who borders on stupidity.

Otherwise you look as stupid as someone going to Myer's blog or Panda's Thumb and thinking they can stop everyone in their tracks by asking "what good is half an eye?"

See folks, this is Xian apologetics at work. He can't back up his argument, so he comes on my blog and calls me stupid, then changes the subject. I'm not going to, David. Answer my questions:

1) Why does Jeebus have 2 different genealogies?

2) Why are 4 different things recorded as his last words? Being "last", I assume this to mean one...

David Heddle said...

1) Because one gives a legal genealogy through Joseph, the other is a blood genealogy through Mary.

2) IF you did any research at all, you would know that quoting someone's words means different things at different times and in different cultures. In our time and our culture it usually means exactly what the person said, word for word. In other times and other cultures it means faithfully recording the content and gist of the words.

In fact, even today, in the west, we still practice a form of changing the words but staying faithful to the content. We clarify quotes by inserting words in square brackets, e.g. "Just because my sentator [Byrd of West Virginia] was in the KKK and he [George Bush] was not is irrelevant."

Like I said, there are some tough puzzles in the bible. Maybe you need some help in locating them?

Rockstar Ryan said...

David -

Since it's more relevant to my guest blogging on GifS, you can retort right here.

Rockstar Ryan said...

BTW, I've already responded to your predictable apologetics re: the genealogy of jeebus in the comments section of GifS. Stop by David. You'll love it!